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That's the interesting twist in comparing college and pro player movement. No collective bargaining, just free agency essentially. I'm sure the system will normalize, but I don't know that there's a roadmap or case study to reference on how we'll get from here to there.
Yeah, and I don't have a ton of confidence that the NCAA will figure out how to fix it if it does become a problem. You could make an argument that a collective bargaining process would be best for the players, best for the sport, and potentially best for the NCAA and its member institutions but I think that the NCAA will still do everything in its power to avoid it.
 
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I love my alma. I love watching basketball. I'll always be invested in this program and spend some time on this site. But man, I think it's time for me to temper my investment. I absolutely respect that players need to do what's best for them, but, frankly, so do I. I'm a sentimental fan. I love watching our players grow, improve, and, ultimately, succeed over their time here. That's part of what's made college basketball so engaging for me. Now, I'm just not sure the proposition is worth it when I no longer expect a player to stay for any period of time. I don't know. I have no doubt BU will figure out this coming season and get enough talent for us to compete, but the magic of college basketball is rapidly evaporating. What we're left with feels far lesser.
I agree...we used to be married to the team...now we are just dating escorts
 
#254      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
So? Moses didn't come down from Mt. Sinai with four years of team control engraved on a stone tablet. That number is the result of an extensively negotiated CBA between the players and teams, and there's no analog to that whatsoever in the NCAA.
I mean, money for team control is the basic framework of a negotiation for all athletes in all sports.

Yeah, and I don't have a ton of confidence that the NCAA will figure out how to fix it if it does become a problem. You could make an argument that a collective bargaining process would be best for the players, best for the sport, and potentially best for the NCAA and its member institutions but I think that the NCAA will still do everything in its power to avoid it.
A lot of hurdles between here and there, but it definitely feels like a CBA with a college player's union is the only happy ending to this.
 
#255      

foby

Bonnaroo Land
I think you spelled Dain wrong. Its spelled Dickinson.
That would make us Top 5 to start the year. And that would be awesome.

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But I think he's gonna be a turtle.
 
#256      

Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
Yeah, and I don't have a ton of confidence that the NCAA will figure out how to fix it if it does become a problem. You could make an argument that a collective bargaining process would be best for the players, best for the sport, and potentially best for the NCAA and its member institutions but I think that the NCAA will still do everything in its power to avoid it.
I can't think of any scenarios where the NCAA has "fixed" anything. The NCAA's stubborn adherence to player "amateur" status is what started this whole thing rolling. If instead they had made some common sense changes (i.e. allowing actual Name/Image/Likeness payments for endorsements, commercials, autographs, appearances, etc.) we wouldn't be in the wild west.
 
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sacraig

The desert
I think that after a few years of this and a bunch of kids getting caught out in the portal and seeing the grass isn’t always greener, this will level out some. At least I hope. This isn’t as rewarding to watch as it used to be.
Agreed. It's just a new system and people are going hog wild, but I think it will stabilize. I also think the NIL system will probably work to stabilize it when donors get tired of funding 1 year of a freshman.
 
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RJ is super talented and by all accounts was committed to the program and his teammates.
For whatever reason he thinks he is better served to move on.
My opinion is that he had all the tools to make a big jump and be a key contributor for another 3 years.
Big loss.
Best of luck RJ. I will be hoping you do great things!!!
 
#266      
Will Baker anyone?

Little inside info on Will Baker … 1st off, he’s a great kid … Have heard nothing but good things …

His Mom has been battling cancer for a little while … He would like to be closer to home …

He also wants to study film for his masters … So he will wind up at a school that has that as well if I had to guess …
 
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Little inside info on Will Baker … 1st off, he’s a great kid … Have heard nothing but good things …

His Mom has been battling cancer for a little while … He would like to be closer to home …

He also wants to study film for his masters … So he will wind up at a school that has that as well if I had to guess …
Why doesn't Werner have all of that info in his 247 portal page. That would eliminate all kinds of pipe dreams.
 
#268      
Well and to look over the horizon a little, if this winter Harmon is taking minutes away from DGL, what exactly is the message to DGL given that Harmons will always be available?

Brad's not keen on taking a step back next year, has schollies to play with, and this is the most bountiful transfer buffet there's ever been. I get all that.

But there's a lot of development we should have hope and expectation for next year and we are flat-out not creating that environment if we bring in 3-4 veterans especially to the extent they don't perfectly fit the missing spots on the roster (true PG and true C)
Two guys who are transferring averaged 20+ mpg this year. Playing time is no assurance that anyone will stick around. Being old school, I love the idea of developing players, reward them with minutes and reap the benefits down the line. Unfortunately, that school has let out.
 
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I first hear about RJ here on page 6, and we are into page 11 already. Anything I wanted to comment on has either been said, or I will once again be banned by the omniscient Dan for repeating a post. The portal as it is absolutely inhales through a straw. The paying customers such as we are is who this whole sport goes on at all. Any minute now I expect to see here a copy of the Twitter post from RJ thanking Illinois for all this and all that, and then the ultimate last sentence where he seeks to better his future without saying why. Illinois is a top level program so the only reason all these kids leave is because BU yells. What else . . . that they don't like strolling the quad, or the training table menu doesn't suit their palates? Come on. This totally out of hand. This benefits no one. Once again, this s*cks and no one can really support what is going out. Why follow any team?
 
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I first hear about RJ here on page 6, and we are into page 11 already. Anything I wanted to comment on has either been said, or I will once again be banned by the omniscient Dan for repeating a post. The portal as it is absolutely inhales through a straw. The paying customers such as we are is who this whole sport goes on at all. Any minute now I expect to see here a copy of the Twitter post from RJ thanking Illinois for all this and all that, and then the ultimate last sentence where he seeks to better his future without saying why. Illinois is a top level program so the only reason all these kids leave is because BU yells. What else . . . that they don't like strolling the quad, or the training table menu doesn't suit their palates? Come on. This totally out of hand. This benefits no one. Once again, this s*cks and no one can really support what is going out. Why follow any team?
NCAA basketball soon to be synonymous with minor league baseball. No one will care about an individual team unless you live in the city/town where they play their home games. NIL/Transfer rules were implemented to allow the players to share in the profitability of the sport. Sad thing is, that profitability will eventually vanish as no one cares/watches said teams. A possible solution, as I see it, is to allow multi-year contracts with the best players to try to limit transfers. As it is currently, you are exactly right. It sucks.
 
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The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
In my view, “the magic of college basketball” was built upon young adults being denied the right to earn a living and incredibly limited in their options based on the false concept of “student athletes,” while coaches, ADs, etc. made millions. We aren’t left with “far lesser”— we have “far fairer.”

And if you don’t like the new sport, that is totally acceptable and a reasonable decision!

But in my view, a sport built on taking advantage of kids has died. Good riddance.
I think you've jumped to conclusions a bit. I absolutely believe athletes should be allowed to earn a living wage. In fact, I've argued for it throughout various NIL threads. The issue isn't players getting paid. The issue is the level of player movement. It's reaching a point where it's untenable. As Gritty said:
Holding a player to a college for four years would be the same the number of years a first round NBA draft pick is tied to a team, and the collegiate player gets the added ability to choose his school.

Player movement and player compensation are different, and the failure to separate the two and their different implications for the sport is how we got into this mess in the first place.

The old sit-out year system was MORE freedom of movement for players than the NBA, not less.
 
#274      
Will be pulling for RJ. No hard feelings. The sad reality is he was only coming back if he was going to start, and if he was starting, we wouldn't be the team we want to be next year.
 
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