ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
My dear sir, I confess, I do not get it.
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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Bigtex
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@LvilleILL you are typically positive. Have no idea if at this time last year (or throughout the summer of 2022) if you thought the roster for 22/23 would look really good when done.
Does 23/24 look better on paper than 22/23? Hindsight is much easier to view than foresight
Does 23/24 play better than 22/23.... TBD
If Shannon comes back and is able to turn himself into a 1st rounder that is VERY valuable to us for '24-'25 and beyond, IMO
sacraig
- The desert
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
The roster for 22/23 DID look really good when done.
Are our insiders clairvoyant?
sacraig
- The desert
Agreed. It just didn't play really well because teams with team chemistry play basketball, not rosters.
I thought for sure another Seinfeld gif was coming
We need more rebounding? LOL
illinihawk16
- Chicago
Sometimes this graphic really proves to be accurate...
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RichardKeenesCousin
Richard Keene's Cousin
Yes, and they knew that question would be asked, and that I was going to answer it.
Bigtex
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23/24 team outperforms 22/23 to be determined TBD.
PizzaHutParkingLot
- McPherson, KS
They aren’t proven Big Ten scorers and who knows how they will adapt I have faith they will but my point stands we don’t have a bunch of proven scorers returning ‘yet’ I assume Coleman is back but if TJ leaves who are you counting on as a proven scorer from our returning group?
He is telling all he is going professional. In hopes that teams that really want him will put up big NIL money. It’s a new bargaining tool.
On what is essentially a one year contract, why would you pay a player extra for potential future years they may or may not play for you? You should only pay them for the value they are worth for you in that year. If you want them to stay for another year after that, simply pay them what they are worth in that year again. Why overpay? As far as I would be concerned, future eligibility for a player that still has the ability to transfer is worthless.
Imagine your favorite team signing someone to a one year deal and your team's GM said, "Well he was worth $5M for the year he will play for us, but he is young and likely won't retire for another couple years, so I threw on a couple extra million" I don't think that logic would follow.
Hell, I coulda told you that.
With the benefit of hindsight, I think that a lot of folks (and probably me more than most) underestimated the difficulty Shannon and to a lesser extent Mayer would have in making a huge jump in usage last year. Team chemistry was an obvious issue, but so was counting on a couple of guys who had historically been role players to be your go-to guys. It's not like that can't work out but it often doesn't. I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll get better contributions from our transfers this year because they both played prominent roles at their last stops, and did so pretty effectively.
RichardKeenesCousin
Richard Keene's Cousin
yes. I didn't even see this post.
Those that do, wouldn't it follow that they would not see this message?
At this point you have to be trolling. No one in their right mind would ever even consider paying an undersized guard, who can’t play defense or run an offense, and has attitude issues more money than a first team all conference player that led us in scoring… that is beyond absurd.
And mute the noise?
Shannon probably exceeded expectations and Mayer probably met them—although with maddening inconsistency. The real issue was the risk that was taken with a freshman point guard who really hadn’t played for a year. Dain needed a facilitator for example
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