Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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You sound like my father who used to M’F Frankie Williams all the time for his show boating plays that would “drive you crazy”…would you take another Frankie Williams right now? Lol
Players without flaws don't exist. The ones who are close make 35-40 million a year in the NBA. Apparently, there are people who don't know this.
I'd definitely take DMFW! I'd consider Frankie...we need DMFW leadership and willingness to do whatever is asked more than we need Frankie.
I would say you are mostly accurate, but I do think TSJ did show some creating his own shot, but needs to hone it and be more aggressive consistently. Also, do more mid-range at times too.
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The Galloping Ghost
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TSJ could have posted a video with his career highlights from Tech and Illinois, but my guy chose to post that. All Illinois, all the time.
Coleman wasn’t an NBA player, but getting drafted is more about potential and projecting what he could become. He has a good combination of size, skills, athleticism for his size, and defensive versatility. At times he looked very good, the triple double game, shooting at times, defensively, … If an NBA team thinks they can get that out of him, I think he is worth a 2nd round shot, but I would agree no team is drafting on last year’s body of work.
They often don't, ask ol' #11.
I may be in the minority, but I just don't think Coleman is that good. When people were talking about him going to the NBA, I thought they were crazy. Then I checked some mock drafts and was floored to see him in the 2nd round.
What I see with Coleman is a great size and athleticism combo, but he can't shoot. There is no way to sugar coat it, 28% from 3 and 64% FT for his career, is pretty bad, especially the 3 pt %. He can handle the ball, but he also makes way too many bad decisions. He can pass, but again, bad decisions. He's not strong enough to play post defense, but he's a great help defender.
To me, if he could shoot, I'd overlook the bad decisions. If he didn't make the bad decisions, I could overlook the shooting. But at least one of those has to change. I'd imagine the NBA sees a 6'10" guy who's athletic enough to guard the 2-5, a guy who can bring the ball up the court when needed, a guy who can get to the rim. I just question, can he get the ball through the hoop enough that the NBA will have serious interest.
So in terms of Coleman coming back here, I'm in the camp of I really don't care. I'd be more than happy to have him back. I like his energy, he does have that size and athleticism combo, and he knows the system. But if I have the chance to trade for Tristan da Silva, I'm saying you should really give Europe a chance if the NBA doesn't work out. If I can get PJ Hall, we'll see ya later. If we're replacing him with someone like Bandaogo or even Grant Nelson, welcome back Coleman, we've missed you.
What I see with Coleman is a great size and athleticism combo, but he can't shoot. There is no way to sugar coat it, 28% from 3 and 64% FT for his career, is pretty bad, especially the 3 pt %. He can handle the ball, but he also makes way too many bad decisions. He can pass, but again, bad decisions. He's not strong enough to play post defense, but he's a great help defender.
To me, if he could shoot, I'd overlook the bad decisions. If he didn't make the bad decisions, I could overlook the shooting. But at least one of those has to change. I'd imagine the NBA sees a 6'10" guy who's athletic enough to guard the 2-5, a guy who can bring the ball up the court when needed, a guy who can get to the rim. I just question, can he get the ball through the hoop enough that the NBA will have serious interest.
So in terms of Coleman coming back here, I'm in the camp of I really don't care. I'd be more than happy to have him back. I like his energy, he does have that size and athleticism combo, and he knows the system. But if I have the chance to trade for Tristan da Silva, I'm saying you should really give Europe a chance if the NBA doesn't work out. If I can get PJ Hall, we'll see ya later. If we're replacing him with someone like Bandaogo or even Grant Nelson, welcome back Coleman, we've missed you.
He was actually pretty good from midrange last year but yeah
I like Coleman and it would be great if he returns. That said, he's a good athlete, but certainly not great.
Get to the rim? I'm still waiting to see that. If he doesn't have a fairly wide open dunk, it doesn't seem like he wants to take it to the rim.
Joel Goodson
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I agree with your critique of Hawkins' game. But the last paragraph, nope. I'd rather have a 4 year guy than a rental. Culture. Not to mention, the worm could turn. With a real point and 3 years of experience under his belt, a major improvement in 2 areas is possible.
I disagree with everything you said, it's almost like we were watching completely different players - except that Coleman is not Steph or Luca, I agree on that
Coleman
- his turnovers were not usually from trying to make impossible passes like Curbelo used to - CoHawks turnovers are just bad decisions/lazy passes
- his strength was his mid range and in the paint scoring ability, he should have done more of it rather than settling for a lot of 3's
TSJ
- He was very good at creating his own shot, it's literally all he did, everything he did was one on one - moving without the ball and getting open would be more his development need
- His mid range game was good he shot 53% from 2pt range last year, his 3pt % was his weakness at 32%
- He was one of the best at finishing at the rim last year in all of college basketball - going downhill was his strength, his downfall was when he would roam on the perimeter too much and not be aggressive enough
I assume he is back or just foretelling?
Well, yes, kinda.
I think the issue here is that at his size and athleticism, he ought to be able to get those shots more often. The unnecessary fakes, for example, aren't good. There's so much talk about his 3 pt shooting, but to me what he needs to work on is some midrange moves that allow him to get those 8-12 footers off consistently. He makes them when he gets them. So he needs to figure out how he can use his skills to get more of them.
Not to your point, but to others, I don't sweat the turnovers that much. I think last year our offense was a bit incoherent. That's going to result in turnovers by the guy with the ball. Hopefully next year, and definitely in the NBA, he'll get into a system that helps reduce those. And as others have noted, just having a point guard with a better grasp of the game is going to change that quite a bit.
Hope he gets good combine feedback and comes back on a mission.
I disagree pretty strongly with most of this, but it has been discussed to death so I'll address the one thing that's at least a bit fresher: Unless I missed something, neither Hall nor da Silva are in the portal. I suppose they could be one of the very few guys who got their paperwork in before yesterday's deadline and we're waiting on an announcement, but...
I suppose it's also possible they got enough credits in their three years of school and could be grad transfers.
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This.
Indiana is going to be legit and it pains me.
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He had like 5 predictions to Kansas on Rivals. Woodson's agency strikes again.
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I agree as long as we add a competent PG and he improves his off hand. A good PG would make a dramatic difference for both TSJ and Hawkins.
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