TSJ
- Cannot create his own shot
- No mid range game.
- gets blocked too easily when he drives to hoop.
You sound like my father who used to M’F Frankie Williams all the time for his show boating plays that would “drive you crazy”…would you take another Frankie Williams right now? LolColeman and TSJ are talented players but they both have significant flaws in their games that drive me crazy. They both should return and try to address them.
On the other hand if they have not addressed them after 3 years what is likelyhood they will do it in year 4?
Coleman
- too many turnovers trying to make impossible passes
- shoot 3 pointers from more than 22 ft - he is not Stephan Curry or Luca Doncic
- does not have mid range or in the paint scoring ability
TSJ
- Cannot create his own shot
- No mid range game.
- gets blocked too easily when he drives to hoop.
DealTSJ could be All American good next year
I'd definitely take DMFW! I'd consider Frankie...we need DMFW leadership and willingness to do whatever is asked more than we need Frankie.You sound like my father who used to M’F Frankie Williams all the time for his show boating plays that would “drive you crazy”…would you take another Frankie Williams right now? Lol
I would say you are mostly accurate, but I do think TSJ did show some creating his own shot, but needs to hone it and be more aggressive consistently. Also, do more mid-range at times too.Coleman and TSJ are talented players but they both have significant flaws in their games that drive me crazy. They both should return and try to address them.
On the other hand if they have not addressed them after 3 years what is likelyhood they will do it in year 4?
Coleman
- too many turnovers trying to make impossible passes
- shoot 3 pointers from more than 22 ft - he is not Stephan Curry or Luca Doncic
- does not have mid range or in the paint scoring ability
TSJ
- Cannot create his own shot
- No mid range game.
- gets blocked too easily when he drives to hoop.
“Then there is no pleasing you” -Goldmember voiceI'd definitely take DMFW! I'd consider Frankie...we need DMFW leadership and willingness to do whatever is asked more than we need Frankie.
Coleman wasn’t an NBA player, but getting drafted is more about potential and projecting what he could become. He has a good combination of size, skills, athleticism for his size, and defensive versatility. At times he looked very good, the triple double game, shooting at times, defensively, … If an NBA team thinks they can get that out of him, I think he is worth a 2nd round shot, but I would agree no team is drafting on last year’s body of work.Let me preface this as saying I like Coleman Hawkins and think the Illini are better with him on the team this year. Having said that I am still confused how Coleman is an NBA player. I just don't see it. He hasn't averaged double figures in 3 years here, shot 44% last year and averaged 2.5 turnovers per game. Those aren't good numbers. It clearly only matters if 1 NBA team thinks he can play and I hope he has a career in the NBA. The defense definitely suffers next year for the Illini without him. Very curious who would replace him from the portal.
They often don't, ask ol' #11.I would agree no team is drafting on last year’s body of work.
He was actually pretty good from midrange last year but yeahColeman and TSJ are talented players but they both have significant flaws in their games that drive me crazy. They both should return and try to address them.
On the other hand if they have not addressed them after 3 years what is likelyhood they will do it in year 4?
Coleman
- too many turnovers trying to make impossible passes
- shoot 3 pointers from more than 22 ft - he is not Stephan Curry or Luca Doncic
- does not have mid range or in the paint scoring ability
TSJ
- Cannot create his own shot
- No mid range game.
- gets blocked too easily when he drives to hoop.
I like Coleman and it would be great if he returns. That said, he's a good athlete, but certainly not great.I may be in the minority, but I just don't think Coleman is that good. When people were talking about him going to the NBA, I thought they were crazy. Then I checked some mock drafts and was floored to see him in the 2nd round.
What I see with Coleman is a great size and athleticism combo, but he can't shoot. There is no way to sugar coat it, 28% from 3 and 64% FT for his career, is pretty bad, especially the 3 pt %. He can handle the ball, but he also makes way too many bad decisions. He can pass, but again, bad decisions. He's not strong enough to play post defense, but he's a great help defender.
To me, if he could shoot, I'd overlook the bad decisions. If he didn't make the bad decisions, I could overlook the shooting. But at least one of those has to change. I'd imagine the NBA sees a 6'10" guy who's athletic enough to guard the 2-5, a guy who can bring the ball up the court when needed, a guy who can get to the rim. I just question, can he get the ball through the hoop enough that the NBA will have serious interest.
So in terms of Coleman coming back here, I'm in the camp of I really don't care. I'd be more than happy to have him back. I like his energy, he does have that size and athleticism combo, and he knows the system. But if I have the chance to trade for Tristan da Silva, I'm saying you should really give Europe a chance if the NBA doesn't work out. If I can get PJ Hall, we'll see ya later. If we're replacing him with someone like Bandaogo or even Grant Nelson, welcome back Coleman, we've missed you.
I may be in the minority, but I just don't think Coleman is that good. When people were talking about him going to the NBA, I thought they were crazy. Then I checked some mock drafts and was floored to see him in the 2nd round.
What I see with Coleman is a great size and athleticism combo, but he can't shoot. There is no way to sugar coat it, 28% from 3 and 64% FT for his career, is pretty bad, especially the 3 pt %. He can handle the ball, but he also makes way too many bad decisions. He can pass, but again, bad decisions. He's not strong enough to play post defense, but he's a great help defender.
To me, if he could shoot, I'd overlook the bad decisions. If he didn't make the bad decisions, I could overlook the shooting. But at least one of those has to change. I'd imagine the NBA sees a 6'10" guy who's athletic enough to guard the 2-5, a guy who can bring the ball up the court when needed, a guy who can get to the rim. I just question, can he get the ball through the hoop enough that the NBA will have serious interest.
So in terms of Coleman coming back here, I'm in the camp of I really don't care. I'd be more than happy to have him back. I like his energy, he does have that size and athleticism combo, and he knows the system. But if I have the chance to trade for Tristan da Silva, I'm saying you should really give Europe a chance if the NBA doesn't work out. If I can get PJ Hall, we'll see ya later. If we're replacing him with someone like Bandaogo or even Grant Nelson, welcome back Coleman, we've missed you.
I disagree with everything you said, it's almost like we were watching completely different players - except that Coleman is not Steph or Luca, I agree on thatColeman and TSJ are talented players but they both have significant flaws in their games that drive me crazy. They both should return and try to address them.
On the other hand if they have not addressed them after 3 years what is likelyhood they will do it in year 4?
Coleman
- too many turnovers trying to make impossible passes
- shoot 3 pointers from more than 22 ft - he is not Stephan Curry or Luca Doncic
- does not have mid range or in the paint scoring ability
TSJ
- Cannot create his own shot
- No mid range game.
- gets blocked too easily when he drives to hoop.
Well, yes, kinda.He was actually pretty good from midrange last year but yeah
I disagree pretty strongly with most of this, but it has been discussed to death so I'll address the one thing that's at least a bit fresher: Unless I missed something, neither Hall nor da Silva are in the portal. I suppose they could be one of the very few guys who got their paperwork in before yesterday's deadline and we're waiting on an announcement, but...I may be in the minority, but I just don't think Coleman is that good. When people were talking about him going to the NBA, I thought they were crazy. Then I checked some mock drafts and was floored to see him in the 2nd round.
What I see with Coleman is a great size and athleticism combo, but he can't shoot. There is no way to sugar coat it, 28% from 3 and 64% FT for his career, is pretty bad, especially the 3 pt %. He can handle the ball, but he also makes way too many bad decisions. He can pass, but again, bad decisions. He's not strong enough to play post defense, but he's a great help defender.
To me, if he could shoot, I'd overlook the bad decisions. If he didn't make the bad decisions, I could overlook the shooting. But at least one of those has to change. I'd imagine the NBA sees a 6'10" guy who's athletic enough to guard the 2-5, a guy who can bring the ball up the court when needed, a guy who can get to the rim. I just question, can he get the ball through the hoop enough that the NBA will have serious interest.
So in terms of Coleman coming back here, I'm in the camp of I really don't care. I'd be more than happy to have him back. I like his energy, he does have that size and athleticism combo, and he knows the system. But if I have the chance to trade for Tristan da Silva, I'm saying you should really give Europe a chance if the NBA doesn't work out. If I can get PJ Hall, we'll see ya later. If we're replacing him with someone like Bandaogo or even Grant Nelson, welcome back Coleman, we've missed you.
This.TSJ could be All American good next year
Indiana is going to be legit and it pains me.
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He had like 5 predictions to Kansas on Rivals. Woodson's agency strikes again.
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I agree as long as we add a competent PG and he improves his off hand. A good PG would make a dramatic difference for both TSJ and Hawkins.TSJ could be All American good next year