Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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lstewart53x3

Scottsdale, Arizona
I just don’t think Brad has been coaching the Illini long enough to definitively say that he can consistently produce a good team culture. Basically all the evidence in favor of it comes from the Ayo, Trent, Demonte team, so it’s entirely possible that the culture had significantly more to do with them than anyone else.

This isn’t intended as critique just that I don’t have access information outside of a pretty short track record.
Best B1G record over a 4-year span (while losing all of his assistant coaches in the middle of it) is evidence enough that BU has the ability create culture.
 
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Then when I say this I’m sure you will back me up on this. There are times when coaches know when they have that team that can win a lot of games even tho outsiders who haven’t seen the team’s offseason workouts/practices question the next season. A coach has that feel when there is great chemistry, improved play from players and there is a certain FEEL when to leave it alone because it will work. I get the sense BU really likes what he and the staff are seeing and feels they can win a conference and make a postseason run. Yes on the outside it’s easy to say the Illini need a PG but the coaches are seeing everyday what we are not.
If your point is that BU has an infinitely better feel for where his team is right now than anyone on this board, them my answer is yes, I agree with you.
 
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It is still the conclusion of published article, in contrast with anonymous message board posters...
Even if we ignore the article is written by a USC beat writer not connected to Arizona and his statement of "We can pretty clearly say that Kerr Kriisa’s entry into the transfer portal — leaving the Arizona Wildcats — was a coach-encouraged transfer" includes no evidence or sources supporting that being the case, what you're saying isn't even what the article concluded.

The very next sentences: "Kriisa loved wearing the Arizona uniform. He was a pot-stirrer who brought energy and personality to the Wildcats. He enjoyed irritating opponents and expressing his emotions on the court. He was having a grand old time in Tucson." I'm not sure how you interpret that to be credible evidence of he's a headcase, a bad teammate, or a cancer in the locker room, but ok.

And then the very next sentences are, "Kriisa’s departure is an obvious product of coach Tommy Lloyd having a frank conversation and declaring an intent to upgrade the Arizona backcourt for next season. Arizona’s guards clearly lacked the dominant, all-court skill of Bennedict Mathurin, who helped the Cats earn a No. 1 seed at the 2022 NCAA Tournament."

So even if you take this article as fact and not conjecture, it clearly states that Kriisa departed because Lloyd recruited over him to get an upgrade in talent at the guard position and as such Kriisa would have his minutes and role reduced. Which I know this is shocking, but that's exactly what the Arizona insider stated, whether you want to believe an anonymous message board poster or not. Nowhere in the article does it state or even suggest locker room issues, infighting, or being a cancer.

Kriisa was not booted off the team or told to leave because he was a cancer or a headcase or a bad teammate. He left because his coach told him he was no longer going to get starters minutes because of the new talent they brought in. To interpret anything outside of that is making a stratospheric leap in logic and inferring things that just aren't there.
 
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My conspiracy-mindedness will not allow me to discount the possibility that what we are suddenly hearing about DGL and Ty's abilities & potential at PG is coming from an in-house desire to get the fans off of Underwood's backside, in regards to the perceived failure to procure RayJ or <insert any PG here>.

Well, yeah. No doubt.
 
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Big Jack

Decatur
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You’re confusing “published” with “credible.”

This author is a USC writer. Now that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s not credible, but I’m skeptical that he actually knows the inner workings of the Arizona program.
I don't have the interest or inclination to read up on the credentials of said author. According to that article, it was a coach encouraged transfer. I suspect that is likely true. That is my opinion..
 
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Well an optimistic but not out of the question outcome would be if Ty has an impact like Tosan from Princeton. That guy wasn’t much of a shooter either but he was sort of like a bigger jack of all trades who could run the show.
 
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He's always appeared to have great handles and passing, only concern is lack of a shot, but I think his height/athleticism makes up for a lot.
He does have most of the virtues of a pt. guard....except for being able to drill unguarded threes as the shot clock runs out. Likely, he will get hammered every time he tries to get to the rim until he can make 70+ FTs. Still, his strengths are rebounding and scoring near the rim....and maybe the staff can figure out someway to allow those while at PG, but I am just not smart enough to see it...guess one has to use new math (on double secret probation) to figure it out.
 
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If my job depended on success this year (and if BU leaves he isn’t getting Illinois salary anywhere else) I’m absolutely going after KK or Joe T. Ultimately, BU is responsible for the culture but if one player is throwing that off, it sucked from the start.
Can BU donate money to NIL funds or is that not allowed. Seems like adding some funds could secure future salaries if the seat is hot. Not sure if NIL has rules
 
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I tend to believe it. If we move past the "Dribble the ball up from the backcourt" task a PG has (which Ty seems perfectly capable of doing at an acceptable level), then the PG's role in a spread offense is to make that first pass and then get into his motion and positioning. As long as we have enough shooting, passing, cutting, post play, slashing, etc. across the 5 players, we should be able to run an effective offense (if we have one in the binder, that is). Ty doesn't have to float by the perimeter, doesn't have to shoot threes -- he can play his game.

In late shot clock situations, you need SOMEONE who is the prime option -- but it doesn't have to be the PG. And whoever is designated as the "guy bringing the ball up" doesn't have to be the first defender back, and thus limit his rebounds.

Finally, once we get into the halfcourt, or even on the break, we will have size mismatches that we should be able to exploit. The other team's (usually smaller) PG will have to guard someone, and that someone should be able to take advantage of that.
Point being: As long as we have the personnel to cover all of the various tasks on the floor, we don't have to fall into classic definitions of what a 1, 2 or 3 does. With good coaching, we should be able to minimize deficiencies and maximize mismatches.

The season doesn't come down to who plays PG -- it comes down to the coaches being able to get everyone on the same page, understanding their roles, and being put in roles they can perform. We have all the talent we need, right now, to have a great season. But they need to be coached up.
We could call it positionless.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
My conspiracy-mindedness will not allow me to discount the possibility that what we are suddenly hearing about DGL and Ty's abilities & potential at PG is coming from an in-house desire to get the fans off of Underwood's backside, in regards to the perceived failure to procure RayJ or <insert any PG here>...

A veritable blue and orange spin-zone of gumdrop & lollipop flavored smoke aimed directly in an upward trajectory, into our collective orange and blue a$$e$. That being said, I do dig what I'm hearing... I hope that smoke is substantive and not purely propaganda.

However, since we are all strictly dealing in hypotheticals, consider this OBVIOUS angle: Last year's struggles had WAY less to do with the absence of a pass first floor general and so much more to do with (a lack of) team chemistry and particular player(s) going off script, refusing to run the plays called by Brad. This can do way more to derail success as a team than any particular position or player acquisition.

This has been mentioned repeatedly by many level-headed fanatics, but invariably gets lost in the scrabble of "but but but muh POINT GUARD!!!"

Beyond having an alpha, best player/best scorer do most of the ball handling/dominating... having a team of selfless, team-first players with just enough dawg in them to know when to lead vs when defer to equally capable teammates is a great recipe for success, at any level of basketball.

Addition by subtraction is a real thing. MM, SC and JE are all fine hoopers, this cannot be denied. But striking the proper balance of skills & personalities is FAR more consequential to regular and postseason success than getting any one mercenary to come in and hope he doesn't Jekyll & Hyde into a me-first/team-last ball hog when push comes to shove in pressure situations as the season gets deeper in the schedule.

That is more demoralizing to fellow teammates than any other perceived failings as a team and a recipe for exactly what we all saw play out last year.

We root for a program full of skilled players, capable of moving the ball swiftly and selflessly, shooting at a high %, defending & rebounding at a high level, and getting the ball out in transition. The absolute key to success for this upcoming season relies on THIS far more than anything else.

All of that being said, apologies for the verbosity and excess "..." but the constant hand-wringing and whataboutisms in regards to Dennis/Love/Campbell/Williams/Krissa etc is mind-numbing to the point of devolving this forum into a maddening cycle of tribalistic post-mortem equine abuse.
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