Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Eh he is likely a lame duck coach. Sure it helps this season but they are likely going to fall flat recruiting without a long term answer
The last 5 classes it hasn't been about not recruiting well, but keeping the recruits. Epps is going to a very good college player. Ty and Sincere are as well. Melendez/Pods/Goode very nice class. DGL/Hansbury seems pretty good. A.Miller, Cubello, Hawkins pretty darn good. Kofi, can't remember if we landed a guard in this class. Ayo, Georgi, etc.. not shabby. BU and staff have identified good players after they established themselves.
 
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Jahvon Quinerly in the portal, personally, hard pass from me.
Yeah I'd lean towards passing on him too but I could see an argument for being a 20 min guy that can create some offense. Realistically, he's Andre Curbelo with a better jump shot. He completely killed Bama in the tournament against SDSU but he can be really really good at times.

He's also awful defensively.
 
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The last 5 classes it hasn't been about not recruiting well, but keeping the recruits. Epps is going to a very good college player. Ty and Sincere are as well. Melendez/Pods/Goode very nice class. DGL/Hansbury seems pretty good. A.Miller, Cubello, Hawkins pretty darn good. Kofi, can't remember if we landed a guard in this class. Ayo, Georgi, etc.. not shabby. BU and staff have identified good players after they established themselves.
I was talking about WVU elevating their asst coach to interim HC. They are just buying time because this is so off cycle in the coaching carousel.
 
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Yeah I'd lean towards passing on him too but I could see an argument for being a 20 min guy that can create some offense. Realistically, he's Andre Curbelo with a better jump shot. He completely killed Bama in the tournament against SDSU but he can be really really good at times.

He's also awful defensively.
Sign me up for Curbelo with a better jump shot!

I think he’s a fit given he’s more of a traditional PG - can handle the ball well, get to the rim and finish and his asst per min were good last year and he’s a good three point shooter- He’s a definite take for me
 
#308      
If your that poor a FT shooter or cant even attempt 10 shoy you can't handle the ball at all and have good offense. Did Ty even take a 10 foot shot all year? We need shooters man n spacing. Remember last year? I love Ty on the glass getting extra possessions but he has to be able to shoot outside of the lane and hit his FTs. He never even took a shot besides a lay up.as I recall
You might want to sit a few plays out. 😂
Your posts are pretty hard to sort out.
 
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Like really what is a reasonable expectation? Why do you feel thu
is way? Do you honestly thinkthuis is the first off season they worked on poor free throws shooting? Ty didn't shoot a single jumper all.lazt season man. He also to his strengths ill give him that and very hard. Teams will put him on the line. I wish I felt he will be reliable but I don't see him getting 40 percent better when I am sure he has worked on FTs for years.
We’re judging their free throw shooting off of 20 and 31 attempts. Such a small sample size and a day to think nerves could cause some misses. while I dont think they will all of a sudden be 80 pct I think 60s is pretty likely and low 70s isn’t all that unrealistic.
 
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I can‘t speak for everyone, but I think the items you mentioned are discussed as symptoms rather than the actual problem.

The BU supporters have been trying to defend him but the big picture is that the program under BU very clearly peaked Ayo’s last year and has been on a steady decline since then.

This offseason was supposed to be the one we reload, and that hasn’t happened. Domask and Harmon may end up being great additions but we are in an even worse position than last year PG. Saying we can’t find a PG because none match our culture is a program failure.
Nah
 
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We’re judging their free throw shooting off of 20 and 31 attempts. Such a small sample size and a day to think nerves could cause some misses. while I dont think they will all of a sudden be 80 pct I think 60s is pretty likely and low 70s isn’t all that unrealistic.
To be completely fair. Going 4 for 20 is absolutely unbelievably bad. Like it's honestly hard for me to fathom how a D1 top 100ish guard can shoot that poorly in a 20 free throw sample.

I'm much less concerned about Ty because he was only a couple shots away from hitting 50% which is bad but fairly common to see.
 
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Unless he found another gear in the injury recovery process he will be Mark Smith v 2.0.
Kid has limited ability to get around or stay in front of people.
While he certain had some issues, mainly defensively, he did average 7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.1 apg (2.1 topg), while shooting 41.1% from the field, 33.3% from 3, and 69.6% on FTs.

That's pretty good for a true Fr coming off an injury. The 33.3% ended up being the 2nd best on the team from 3.

I have no idea why he left, and he certainly wasn't a perfect player, but let's not pretend he was a bum.
 
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Like really what is a reasonable expectation? Why do you feel thu
is way? Do you honestly thinkthuis is the first off season they worked on poor free throws shooting? Ty didn't shoot a single jumper all.lazt season man. He also to his strengths ill give him that and very hard. Teams will put him on the line. I wish I felt he will be reliable but I don't see him getting 40 percent better when I am sure he has worked on FTs for years.
well, for Harris, he shot 32% from three. Sure seems likely that his 20% from the line was more about freshman yips than ability.

Ty hit 5 of his first 18 FTs. Then 2 of 4. Finished with 5 of his last 9.

Who knows. They're freshmen becoming sophomores. I'm optimistic that both will get in the 60s and not be the liability that rightly concerns some.
 
#314      

Bigtex

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I tend to believe it. If we move past the "Dribble the ball up from the backcourt" task a PG has (which Ty seems perfectly capable of doing at an acceptable level), then the PG's role in a spread offense is to make that first pass and then get into his motion and positioning. As long as we have enough shooting, passing, cutting, post play, slashing, etc. across the 5 players, we should be able to run an effective offense (if we have one in the binder, that is). Ty doesn't have to float by the perimeter, doesn't have to shoot threes -- he can play his game.

In late shot clock situations, you need SOMEONE who is the prime option -- but it doesn't have to be the PG. And whoever is designated as the "guy bringing the ball up" doesn't have to be the first defender back, and thus limit his rebounds.

Finally, once we get into the halfcourt, or even on the break, we will have size mismatches that we should be able to exploit. The other team's (usually smaller) PG will have to guard someone, and that someone should be able to take advantage of that.
Point being: As long as we have the personnel to cover all of the various tasks on the floor, we don't have to fall into classic definitions of what a 1, 2 or 3 does. With good coaching, we should be able to minimize deficiencies and maximize mismatches.

The season doesn't come down to who plays PG -- it comes down to the coaches being able to get everyone on the same page, understanding their roles, and being put in roles they can perform. We have all the talent we need, right now, to have a great season. But they need to be coached up.
when has Illinois (underwood years) run iso sets? Hope they do but it hasn’t been a staple the last 6 years. Unless Illinois was on defense and ucla got Clark to switch onto jaquez time after time after time
 
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While he certain had some issues, mainly defensively, he did average 7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.1 apg (2.1 topg), while shooting 41.1% from the field, 33.3% from 3, and 69.6% on FTs.

That's pretty good for a true Fr coming off an injury. The 33.3% ended up being the 2nd best on the team from 3.

I have no idea why he left, and he certainly wasn't a perfect player, but let's not pretend he was a bum.

Mark Smith wasn't a bum. He was a decent spot up shooter and was a solid player at Mizzou and Kstate but he lacked the athleticism to play defense or create off the dribble.

Which is similar to how Clark looked. He couldn't create anything off the dribble so he was relegated to just being a spot up shooter which he wasn't shooting super well and he was bad defensively.
 
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How do you say Little Sisters of the Poor in Spanish?
I was just in Barcelona. Nice place.
I think these foreign trips historically are a positive for programs. Can't hurt to get the extra live competition and practices.

It's going to be interesting.
 
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