Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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DeonThomas

South Carolina
I have to be honest. If I was a booster donating money to the NIL, and I observed Skye Clarke just up and leave town and still got paid everything,
I would have been done. I get the frustration they are feeling. I would have been irate.
Different perspective here.....

* As one is a loyal & avid alum or fan with the means ---- donate to the "fund"
* Allow the experts to do their jobs and create the best roster/program possible (realizing they're dealing with 17-23 year olds)
* Enjoy some of the perks that may (or may not) come along with donating that $$$
* If content, then donate more next time
* If not content, then donate less (or maybe even none) next time
 
#177      
You could ask Lou, Lon, Bill, Bruce and Brad how it feels to be at the mercy of some spoiled 18 year kid/recruit or some rich booster who probably played in HS but thinks he knows more than our coaches.

Brad chased talent - Skyy, Matt M, Jaden and got burned by kids with me first attitudes. I think he knows what type of players he wants, that will give him best chance to win.
 
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NASchamp

Atlanta
I think they will still see what they can get, but having Ty run the point is the current plan and I believe he can do it. He is the hardest working kid on the team from what I have seen and heard, and no better guy to do the job at hand. It would be different if he had never run point before, he has.
Plus, his new hairstyle is pretty cool…
 
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JJE

Bethalto, IL
You’d probably wind up at another dealership though … Which is exactly how some of these boosters are talking …

For example from a very generous booster to me:

“I’m tired of doing business with people who I think are way to stubborn, cocky, and continuously don’t deliver on what’s promised AND then they make me pay for a kid to go sit at home half the year??? Pay these kids to go get drunk and not show up against Penn freaking State at home!!!! I don’t continue to want to donate. It was great when we had Ayo, Trent, Damonte, Feliz, Kofi and others but last year I couldn’t stand watching that team and I have a feeling this year isn’t going to be any better especially after everyone gave that money for the Toledo kid Brad couldn’t stop talking about and then he’s making excuses for losing him. And that’s where I’m at with Underwood. He’s got a lot of relationships that need repaired and he hasn’t made an effort. I’ll be putting my money towards football until then.”
I didn't think of that point of view. I'd imagine that the circle of people who donate big money toward NIL is probably pretty small. You make those people mad and NIL money dries up your gonna be in bad shape recruiting talent.

All the layers of the onion with the transfer rules and NIL is both maddening and incredibly interesting.
 
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Insiders @Indy Illini Fan @LvilleILL @illini0440 are you hearing any rumors of a possible reclassification for a class of 24 point guard?
ALRIIGHTY THEN…🫣
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I realize money makes the world go around and I've had to bite my tongue on more than one occassion to keep the revenue coming in... But F**k this a**hole!
He's coming off as an entitled prick who thinks recruiting and coaching are his areas of expertise. Don't want to donate anymore? Then DON'T. Guess what... the only reason this douche has connections to the program is because of his money. If he didn't have that he'd just be lamenting his frustrations on a message board. I'm sure he's not in the inner circle because of his winning personality.
Dude... Chill... You're flipping out because some guy complained to his friend (Indy)?

You don't know anything about his expertise, what else he's involved in, what conversations and agreements were made with staff, or how much he's donated, or what other connections he has to the program.

Maybe he is a douche, but I didn't get that impression from his reasonable complaints. Your name calling and reaction are exactly the thing you're complaining about
 
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Dude... Chill... You're flipping out because some guy complained to his friend (Indy)?

You don't know anything about his expertise, what else he's involved in, what conversations and agreements were made with staff, or how much he's donated, or what other connections he has to the program.

Maybe he is a douche, but I didn't get that impression from his reasonable complaints. Your name calling and reaction are exactly the thing you're complaining about
Perhaps you're right. But I'll bet you're not.
 
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I know this is a recruiting thread and all but I’m kinda curious how many of you if in JW’s position and if he was willing and available would dump BU in a heartbeat to take Sean Miller? I probably would and I’m a bigger BU apologist than most.
You guys are why we fired Ron Zook way too early. We are not Duke/Kentucky/UNC. This is the most relevant illinois has been nationally (recruiting wise and just interest wise) since Bill Self. Illinois fans love to act like they’re the greatest institution of all time. We gotta let people grow and set a foundation. I’ll take what BU has done so far, one of the winningest big ten team over the last few seasons. Y’all forget Groce? Y’all forget the last few years of Weber? Bruh we were struggling to even get in the bubble watch graphic for almost 15 years lol
 
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I know this is a recruiting thread and all but I’m kinda curious how many of you if in JW’s position and if he was willing and available would dump BU in a heartbeat to take Sean Miller? I probably would and I’m a bigger BU apologist than most.
As an Arizona alum, I cringe at the thought. Miller is covered in slime. He could recruit well with under the table tactics, but his teams, IMHO, lacked motivation and discipline. Underwood is not the best there is, but he is an excellent fit for the Illini as coach and a strong life mentor for his players....IMHO. The University of Illinois lose a lot of respect if it were to happen...but again, IMHO, Whitman knows better than to go down that path.

But then redundancy is stupid....IMHO.
 
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Or we just need to recruit players than can actually hang. The problem is that they simply can't hang after they drink.

Ron Artest used to drink Henny at halftime and I think Barkley talked about playing games drunk. Underwood simply needs to recruit players that can handle their alcohol.
I think there’s only one solution:
The ☘️ Irish

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(Perhaps a few Angry Scots , some Sour-Krauts and some ill-tempered Russians might be alright too.)
 
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You guys are why we fired Ron Zook way too early. We are not Duke/Kentucky/UNC. This is the most relevant illinois has been nationally (recruiting wise and just interest wise) since Bill Self. Illinois fans love to act like they’re the greatest institution of all time. We gotta let people grow and set a foundation. I’ll take what BU has done so far, one of the winningest big ten team over the last few seasons. Y’all forget Groce? Y’all forget the last few years of Weber? Bruh we were struggling to even get in the bubble watch graphic for almost 15 years lol
Well if we fired Zook to hire Kirby Smart, James Franklin or someone like that, then any day was the right day to make the change. When you bring in Tim Beckman, and he doesn't even bring the guy that was actually responsible for winning games, then you pretty much get what you deserve.

So if you are literally talking Sean Miller, then your comparison to Beckman or Groce is completely invalid. Yes you're right, if you fire a coach that isn't meeting your standards and bring in someone worse, which we've done in both football and basketball in the near past, that is bad. But if you let go of a coach, even too early, and replace them with someone better, than that's a good thing any year.
 
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Well if we fired Zook to hire Kirby Smart, James Franklin or someone like that, then any day was the right day to make the change. When you bring in Tim Beckman, and he doesn't even bring the guy that was actually responsible for winning games, then you pretty much get what you deserve.

So if you are literally talking Sean Miller, then your comparison to Beckman or Groce is completely invalid. Yes you're right, if you fire a coach that isn't meeting your standards and bring in someone worse, which we've done in both football and basketball in the near past, that is bad. But if you let go of a coach, even too early, and replace them with someone better, than that's a good thing any year.
No see the only flaw in any logic here is yours, you don’t fire a coach that’s exceeding prior results unless you know you have the next guy that is a step up. That’s how you end up w the Groces and Beckmans of the world.

There wasn’t a comparison of millers ability to anyone else’s in my post. My post was talking directly to the fact that we shouldn’t have fired Zook because he elevated the program. Just like BU has done so far. We are not the school that can poach a guarantee upgrade.
 
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You guys are why we fired Ron Zook way too early. We are not Duke/Kentucky/UNC. This is the most relevant illinois has been nationally (recruiting wise and just interest wise) since Bill Self. Illinois fans love to act like they’re the greatest institution of all time. We gotta let people grow and set a foundation. I’ll take what BU has done so far, one of the winningest big ten team over the last few seasons. Y’all forget Groce? Y’all forget the last few years of Weber? Bruh we were struggling to even get in the bubble watch graphic for almost 15 years lol
This post should be pinned and hand highlighted. It's spot on.
 
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I am sure BU did all he could have done to get Ray J but sometimes that is not enough. Maybe Dennis did not want to be scoring option number three. After all, he waited until Shannon and Hawkins confirmed they were coming back and then he announced for Baylor. He might have been fine being option two but not three. Just like anyone else, the kid is going to do what he thinks is best for him and his future.
In what world would RayJ have been number 3 behind Coleman? Hawkins has never averaged double digits in his career. Domask would have been his competition for the 2nd option.
 
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I realize money makes the world go around and I've had to bite my tongue on more than one occassion to keep the revenue coming in... But F**k this a**hole!
He's coming off as an entitled prick who thinks recruiting and coaching are his areas of expertise. Don't want to donate anymore? Then DON'T. Guess what... the only reason this douche has connections to the program is because of his money. If he didn't have that he'd just be lamenting his frustrations on a message board. I'm sure he's not in the inner circle because of his winning personality.

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From the comments Indy posted, I saw nothing that indicates the booster thinks recruiting and coaching are his expertise. He just wants BU etal to be good stewards of the money he donates. If someone asked me for a $1,000 and promised X, Y and Z and then didn’t deliver, I wouldn’t be lining up to give him more. And I’m guessing we’re talking about a hell of a lot more money than that. You say don’t donate if you don’t want to. That’s exactly what the booster is doing. And actually that’s not really true, because it sounds like he will continue to donate money to the football program. Why? Because he feels BB and the program are being good stewards of his money. That’s fundraising 101.
 
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Well if we fired Zook to hire Kirby Smart, James Franklin or someone like that, then any day was the right day to make the change. When you bring in Tim Beckman, and he doesn't even bring the guy that was actually responsible for winning games, then you pretty much get what you deserve.

So if you are literally talking Sean Miller, then your comparison to Beckman or Groce is completely invalid. Yes you're right, if you fire a coach that isn't meeting your standards and bring in someone worse, which we've done in both football and basketball in the near past, that is bad. But if you let go of a coach, even too early, and replace them with someone better, than that's a good thing any year.
The problem with that theory is that you won't know if they're better until they're here for a couple of years. You fire a coach(or any employee) who isn't performing. You don't let them go because of the grass is greener approach. Is another coach going to roll in and win a couple of Big Ten Championships(tournament and regular season), lead the conference in overall wins, along with road wins and have the best record in conference vs top 10 teams? BU has performed and performed at a high level. Blowing his regime up would be short sighted....at best.
 
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No see the only flaw in any logic here is yours, you don’t fire a coach that’s exceeding prior results unless you know you have the next guy that is a step up. That’s how you end up w the Groces and Beckmans of the world.

There wasn’t a comparison of millers ability to anyone else’s in my post. My post was talking directly to the fact that we shouldn’t have fired Zook because he elevated the program. Just like BU has done so far. We are not the school that can poach a guarantee upgrade.
you responded to someone saying if we can get Sean Miller. So he is pretty much baked into the cake with the post. It doesn't have to be Sean Miller just because Indy has sleepovers once a month in the Miller compound.

It could be Nate Oates, Jerome Tang, Dan Hurley, Scott Drew, Eric Musselman, etc. I'm not saying any of these guys are legitimate options. I'm just saying Brad Underwood is a very good coach, but he is not the best coach in the nation. If you can get someone with an objectively better career record, viewed objectively by people outside of our fanbase as a better coach, then yes, doing it is a positive for your program. It's a positive for the program a year early, a year late, or right on time.

Just because someone improved your program doesn't give you a lifetime contract. That really makes no sense. And obviously, you don't fire someone who isn't killing your program without having an agreement in principle first. I think we can give Whitman that much credit. Oh and we aren't a program that can poach a coach, how do you think Underwood got here in the first place?
 
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