Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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What you described is the minor league model for MLB and the NHL. The teams will be affiliated with the university instead of a town, and will develop their own regional fan base, losing the 100+ year affiliation with the alumni base. That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!
How does it lose its affiliation with the alumni base if it’s still affiliated with the university?
 
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All of these absurd hoops the NCAA and the schools adopt are just nonsensical attempts to avoid making student athletes paid employees. If they’d scrap these silly moves and actually pay the players directly, they could sign contracts with rules and structures that could actually be enforced and bring about penalties should either side break the deal.
I think if you structure the current deals correctly you can achieve a similar thing

Have payments set up for reporting to the team each year. Have incentives for performance ie all American all conference winning over x many games final fours etc

3 stars and players outside of the top 100 may signed up for long term deals. Players in top 50 probably won’t. Coaching staff will need to determine if the star is worth the headache or do they want to find the gem. Make the deals exclusive like media personalities’ contracts

A player like Edey or Garza would be prime candidates of players you could get but you could get projects that your stuck with
 
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How does it lose its affiliation with the alumni base if it’s still affiliated with the university?
IMO, the fans will lose interest if the players are students - I know I will. I don't watch the basketball minor leagues (and I bet you and most folks don't either) and these guys will be minor league players. I'm betting the NBA execs are laughing their fat a**es off at how this is progressing . . . .
 
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IMO, the fans will lose interest if the players are students - I know I will. I don't watch the basketball minor leagues (and I bet you and most folks don't either) and these guys will be minor league players. I'm betting the NBA execs are laughing their fat a**es off at how this is progressing . . . .
As long as it’s the University of Illinois Fighting Illini, I will watch. I don’t watch minor league baseball or football, mostly because I never have and it’s never interested me. But college football and basketball does interest me. Paid athletes would change a few thing up, to be sure… but it’s still my team vs teams I root against.

For the first 20 years or so of college basketball, the coach was also a student. Somewhere along the line it was decided that job should be a paid professional position. If you stop and think about it, why should the players be any different from the coaches?
 
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As long as it’s the University of Illinois Fighting Illini, I will watch. I don’t watch minor league baseball or football, mostly because I never have and it’s never interested me. But college football and basketball does interest me. Paid athletes would change a few thing up, to be sure… but it’s still my team vs teams I root against.

For the first 20 years or so of college basketball, the coach was also a student. Somewhere along the line it was decided that job should be a paid professional position. If you stop and think about it, why should the players be any different from the coaches?
I haven't been able find documentation of the bolded, but I don't doubt it could have progressed that way. The players have been fellow students for over 100 years, which is a very strong tie for every alum of every university. when they are employees . . . Who knows if they'll be remembered in the same way? Certainly not by me.
 
#110      

Tevo

Wilmette, IL
Mid game maybe? One of our donors walks into the opposing team's timeout with a 100,000 check?

Inevitably there are 7 guys that are going to have career games against us. If our defense can't stop them maybe our donors can.

I'm picturing fans Venmo'ing money mid-play to a player's live account, and giant meter on the sideline showing which team he's actually playing for.... "Ding ding ding! Wow, Bob, what a turn of events! In the last 43 seconds, North Carolina has been outbid, and their PG is now playing for Duke! Oh, here's the Tarheel alumni with a surge! He's now back on offense with Carolina!"
 
#112      
Because they’re entitled, spoiled babies.
Counterpoint to the alleged irate high $ donors. Not an insider; however, through work, I come in one-on-one contact with one of the top athletic donors in the last 5 to 10 years. Today was one of those days. We always talk Illinois football and basketball. I asked him his thoughts about basketball this upcoming season. He is super excited about this upcoming basketball season and has zero issues with Brad Underwood. He thought RayJ was too much of a shoot first guard and didn't lose any sleep missing on him. This guy will be traveling with the team in Spain this year and flies with the team (football/basketball) to aways games a couple times a year. Just thought I would share that there are many $ donors and this one is on the Bradwagon. I'm confident this guy donates more than the guy Indy spoke with.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
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#114      
It's been answered ad nauseam. Like any business transaction it's between the employer and the employee. In Skyy's case he was paid out in full but there is nothing in place enforcing that he had to be.
If that’s indeed true, there’s no one to blame other than the idiot who shelled out the money and didn’t have contingencies in writing.
 
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wettsten

Chicago
I'm picturing fans Venmo'ing money mid-play to a player's live account, and giant meter on the sideline showing which team he's actually playing for.... "Ding ding ding! Wow, Bob, what a turn of events! In the last 43 seconds, North Carolina has been outbid, and their PG is now playing for Duke! Oh, here's the Tarheel alumni with a surge! He's now back on offense with Carolina!"
I would definitely watch that!
 
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If that’s indeed true, there’s no one to blame other than the idiot who shelled out the money and didn’t have contingencies in writing.
It could be that the Clarks wanted it written that way and the collective agreed to that demand because they didnt want to
risk having clark leave. Its a case of lets give them what they want so we make them happy. However, it backfired.
 
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wettsten

Chicago
IMO, the fans will lose interest if the players are students - I know I will. I don't watch the basketball minor leagues (and I bet you and most folks don't either) and these guys will be minor league players. I'm betting the NBA execs are laughing their fat a**es off at how this is progressing . . . .
we all watch what the media companies want us to watch.
 
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The reality is that most of these kids did not come to school to get an education. They came because it has been (not saying it is today) the most direct path to the professional ranks.
That depends on the sport but it seems to be true of men's basketball. The conference just released it's list of distinguished scholars and the conference had only 10 male basketball players named and those were predominantly sports related majors. None were from Illinois. By contrast, women's basketball showed 29.
 
#120      
Because they’re entitled, spoiled babies.
This entitled, spoiled baby was happy to donate and support the program when student athletes committed to four years and an Illinois degree was valued and earned. You know, when the word LOYALTY actually meant something I felt my investment was worthwhile. I’m from Lou’s era, so while I’m not necessarily a fan of the current style of leadership, it’s the state of the NCAA, B1G, NIL, transfer mayhem and lack of academics in COLLEGE sports that made me close the purse strings. I know a few others share my views.
 
#121      
That depends on the sport but it seems to be true of men's basketball. The conference just released it's list of distinguished scholars and the conference had only 10 male basketball players named and those were predominantly sports related majors. None were from Illinois. By contrast, women's basketball showed 29.
100% in agreement. The two money sports typically drag the graduation rate for the rest of Illinois athletes, by a quite a bit. The majority of the other sports all are tru student-athletes (maybe not track and field? I don't know and have no data either way).
 
#123      
This entitled, spoiled baby was happy to donate and support the program when student athletes committed to four years and an Illinois degree was valued and earned. You know, when the word LOYALTY actually meant something I felt my investment was worthwhile. I’m from Lou’s era, so while I’m not necessarily a fan of the current style of leadership, it’s the state of the NCAA, B1G, NIL, transfer mayhem and lack of academics in COLLEGE sports that made me close the purse strings. I know a few others share my views.
You're essentially proving my point. You were happy to donate when you got your way. But now that you're not, you're taking your ball and going home.
 
#124      
It's always been a risk for boosters to invest in these kids.
Who do you think pays the tuition and fees at a place like LaLu via 'donations" to LaLu scholarship fund?
Things don't always work out.
 
#125      

Joel Goodson

respect my decision™
We talking boosters or posters?

both? only half joking. there're crazies in every group: players, camps/parents, boosters and regular fans

top jobs pay a stuff ton, but they come with big headaches
 
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