Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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PepeSilvia
FloridaMan said:
I just mean they would likely quickly leave the NCAA to join the larger conferences in a new, alternative collegiate athletics governing body with a new tournament including the big conferences and smaller conferences; just like the NCAA tournament does now.
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It would be way more favorable to the power conference teams that want to make money. The NCAA tourney which is the best sporting event of the year would be absolutely ruined and it would just be full of mediocre to bad power conference teams. There would be very likely be no autobids from mid majors.

It would absolutely ruin college basketball as we know it. I'm not saying the NCAA is a great organization but it's far better than everything being controlled by the Big10 and SEC.

It will probably happen eventually anyways because everything that is cool eventually gets killed in the continual pursuit for unlimited profit growth and constantly trying to squeeze every last penny out of everything but it doesn't mean we should want it to happen.
 
#102      
djkirkpatrick22
I clearly missed this, but did Morez transfer to Thornton? JB went to a prep school somewhere, right? Is Nojus still around at Rita?
 
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ugottabjoshinme
Mojoman said:
Wait- I thought Jakstys was a non committable offer and we did it for in state relationship building?
They sure don't sound like we did it for yuks.
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They still said he'd be a developmental guy and have to buy in to the long term process of being here. Seems to be in tune with things that were said here.
 
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HensonHall71
altgeld88 said:
I hope that he's completely unaware of this board. I can't think of many things of less consequence to his work.
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While this board in particular is not the be all end all - this board is representative of fan opinions and if fan opinion start to turn against BU, the Illini media pick up on it and start to write and post about it and that ground swell, including major donors to the program, some of whom are on here start to voice that to JW - it absolutely affects his work and job. JW is running a business and if the fans /donors don't support the coach and want him gone, he will eventually be gone, because JW can't run an athletic program that isn't supported by the fans/donors
 
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#113      
altgeld88
HensonHall71 said:
While this board in particular is not the be all end all - this board is representative of fan opinions and if fan opinion start to turn against BU, the Illini media pick up on it and start to write and post about it and that ground swell, including major donors to the program, some of whom are on here start to voice that to JW - it absolutely affects his work and job. JW is running a business and if the fans /donors don't support the coach and want him gone, he will eventually be gone, because JW can't run an athletic program that isn't supported by the fans/donors
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If he wins he stays. Seats are filled. Donors are happy. Josh is happy.

If he doesn’t win he’s gone. What you and I write here fans our fandom and little else IMO. It’s not a democratic process except to the extent it’s Athens and only the elite have a vote.
 
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HensonHall71
altgeld88 said:
If he wins he stays. Seats are filled. Donors are happy. Josh is happy.

If he doesn’t win he’s gone. What you and I write here fans our fandom and little else IMO. It’s not a democratic process except to the extent it’s Athens and only the elite have a vote.
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True - if we win a National title or go 5-27 the outcome is clear as you said. It's the gray area outcomes where fan opinion matters.

Finishing in the middle/upper half of the big ten, but not getting to the second weekend in the tournament, but having some success in recruiting - etc. it's the middling results where if fans are supportive and showing up and donating because there is hope for a brighter future he will stay, if fans turn on him, he will not be able to stay. that is my point.
 
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antwix
Morez went toe to toe with the 4th ranked big in the nation from Kokomo Indiana, Flory Bidunga... Flory had 20 points and 14 rebounds...
 
#117      
Illini_4Life
just getting back from a 2 week vacation. i need the updates on our Beloved, outside of Morez dominating...

thank you in advanced
 
#119      
BBIQ
Illini_4Life said:
just getting back from a 2 week vacation. i need the updates on our Beloved, outside of Morez dominating...

thank you in advanced
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1. Boosters mad at BU for RayJ debacle.
2. Whitman not very pleased either.
3. BU and the program's message is all is okay with Ty at PG
4. Posters here arguing over number 3.
5. Its okay now to criticize BU cause Indy has plenty.
6. Something abut Geoff not being good enough.
7. PODZ
8. Muscleman, Miller and Tang possible BU replacements if we don't get into the second weekend of the tourney.
9. Michigan sucks
10. Bruce Pearl is not a good person.

I think that sums it up.
 
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NASchamp
altgeld88 said:
If he wins he stays. Seats are filled. Donors are happy. Josh is happy.

If he doesn’t win he’s gone. What you and I write here fans our fandom and little else IMO. It’s not a democratic process except to the extent it’s Athens and only the elite have a vote.
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This is also what confuses me the most about not going all out for a PG since losing RayJ. It just seems like an unnecessary gamble that BU doesn’t need to take. If he went and got a PG, any serviceable PG at this point, and we did poorly it’s disappointing, sure. But it still appears like he tried to fill the gap after missing out on RayJ. Maybe the seat gets warm, but that’s it.

With his current approach, it’s all on him. If he refuses to go after PGs after RayJ and we stink next year, his seat is wayyyy hotter. Maybe it’s the stubbornness. Who knows. But if I’m in a similar spot and care about keeping my job, I’m doing the logical thing and getting a PG - if anything, just to take the pressure off myself.
 
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Tevo
NASchamp said:
This is also what confuses me the most about not going all out for a PG since losing RayJ. It just seems like an unnecessary gamble that BU doesn’t need to take. If he went and got a PG, any serviceable PG at this point, and we did poorly it’s disappointing, sure. But it still appears like he tried to fill the gap after missing out on RayJ. Maybe the seat gets warm, but that’s it.

With his current approach, it’s all on him. If he refuses to go after PGs after RayJ and we stink next year, his seat is wayyyy hotter. Maybe it’s the stubbornness. Who knows. But if I’m in a similar spot and care about keeping my job, I’m doing the logical thing and getting a PG - if anything, just to take the pressure off myself.
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I like what Werner and Piper were saying: We have "serviceable" point guard options. Don't use up a scholarship, and reduce playing/development time, and potentially upset what sounds like is a positive growing chemistry, just to add another guy that not clearly better than the guys you have. That makes sense to me. After last year, and given Ty's recent no-punches-pulled comments about chemistry -- "These guys are all good human beings, and last year they weren't". DANG, Ty! -- the chemistry issues seems prominent, and they may not want to risk that just to get someone "serviceable".
 
#125      
RockfordIllini
NASchamp said:
This is also what confuses me the most about not going all out for a PG since losing RayJ. It just seems like an unnecessary gamble that BU doesn’t need to take. If he went and got a PG, any serviceable PG at this point, and we did poorly it’s disappointing, sure. But it still appears like he tried to fill the gap after missing out on RayJ. Maybe the seat gets warm, but that’s it.

With his current approach, it’s all on him. If he refuses to go after PGs after RayJ and we stink next year, his seat is wayyyy hotter. Maybe it’s the stubbornness. Who knows. But if I’m in a similar spot and care about keeping my job, I’m doing the logical thing and getting a PG - if anything, just to take the pressure off myself.
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With passage of time since the RayJ saga, I think standing pat on the roster/pg position makes more sense.

I agree that an All-BIG caliber PG drastically increases the ceiling for next years team and RayJ is that kind of player. If you can get a player like RayJ you do it 100 times out of 100 and you don’t worry about hurt feelings/transfers etc and you figure out the 2024/25 team later.

But absent a real needle mover, that is someone who is capable of being a top 5ish level PG in the BIG, I don’t think it’s worth potentially kneecapping the program to take someone. You cut into Ty’s minutes, potentially stunt his development and maybe he gets fed up and transfers. Same issue with Sencire and DGL. All of a sudden you’re back on the transfer PG carousel next offseason.

Of course 2 frosh PGs who played over 20 mpg both transferred last year so who knows what will happen next off season. But would the addition of a Touissant or similar player take us from a likely tournament team/top6-7ish seed to a legit BIG title/final 4 contender? No. MulCahey, even on the big assumption you could get him to transfer in conference? Maybe but probably not.

Trent and DaMonte were guys with 4 years invested in your program, one of which was all BIG caliber, and they helped you win a title. You bring those guys back 100 times out of 100 and worry about what the freshmen do later.

Terrance and Mayer were all BIG players and we wouldn’t have made the tournament without them. You bring them in 100 times out of 100z

Joe Touissant or a similar level middle of the pack PG? Don’t think he moves the needle enough to go all in for one year at the expense of future years. JMO.
 
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