Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Joel Goodson

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Gill going to NW would be crushing.

would it?

it definitely would if he was a Top 30 or even a Top 50 kid. but he's not. he's probably not a Top 100 kid. we're pretty much guessing here, because he hasn't played any AAU ball. not saying he sucks or even that he doesn't have promise...he clearly does. but honestly would you rather have Butler or Gill? for me, that's any easy one (despite Butler being pretty severely under ranked)
 
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would it?

it definitely would if he was a Top 30 or even a Top 50 kid. but he's not. he's probably not a Top 100 kid. we're pretty much guessing here, because he hasn't played any AAU ball. not saying he sucks or even that he doesn't have promise...he clearly does. but honestly would you rather have Butler or Gill? for me, that's any easy one (despite Butler being pretty severely under ranked)
I guess I’m extrapolating (admittedly unfairly and wildly at this point) that he commits to NW and kills it there.

My bigger concern is turning one of our strongest alumni allies against us and having his son play for an instate rival. But I guess better player trumps legacy every time.
 
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would it?

it definitely would if he was a Top 30 or even a Top 50 kid. but he's not. he's probably not a Top 100 kid. we're pretty much guessing here, because he hasn't played any AAU ball. not saying he sucks or even that he doesn't have promise...he clearly does. but honestly would you rather have Butler or Gill? for me, that's any easy one (despite Butler being pretty severely under ranked)
I’d love to hear your thoughts on Jase Butler. Just based on ratings, he doesn’t seem to be way ahead of Phoenix.
 
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A few thoughts... I think Gill is probably going to be pretty good, however he's going to be harder to guage because of level of competition.

Also, it just may be the case that he wants to write his own story. I don't think he is a can't miss prospect and he'll need a couple years before settling in, IMO. I think they are playing it right (from all accounts). Leave the door open for him, you know they have all the ties and backing they need. If he wants to buy in, then we should gladly take him.

Fears should be the #1 target. I think he might be an NBA talent. He never gets sped up, and what he may lack a little bit in the athleticism part, he more then makes up for with his IQ and savvy. Hope we can land him.

Also just want to say that I think Jase Butler is very underrated, I love his game.
 
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Another thin hurting phoenix is the transfer portal. I think if this was 5-6 years ago and everyone was taking big prep classes again he would be a lock to Illinois as we would have more spots and would be recruiting him harder. But the days of big prep classes are over.
 
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MDchicago

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would it?

it definitely would if he was a Top 30 or even a Top 50 kid. but he's not. he's probably not a Top 100 kid. we're pretty much guessing here, because he hasn't played any AAU ball. not saying he sucks or even that he doesn't have promise...he clearly does. but honestly would you rather have Butler or Gill? for me, that's any easy one (despite Butler being pretty severely under ranked)
It really comes down to getting the evaluation right (relative to other realistic targets) which is more challenging than usual for the reason you note. Weighing potential for a Brian Cardinal situation/Kendall Gill development trajectory vs. what you can see and reasonably project today relative to other realistic targets.

While it would suck to have another Brian Cardinal situation (and Kendall's development trajectory makes one wonder, even if it is hard to envision today), it would also suck to have an Illini legend's kid and family upset and the overall situation a distraction for the staff and team year after year because other guards on the roster ultimately are believed to give the Illini the best chance of winning. Pick your poison, but probably best to ignore the last name (except as a tiebreaker) and apply the same standard you would for any other recruit, and go wherever that takes you.

If it's not Illinois, Stanford in the ACC would seem to be a good basketball and academic choice (and sidestep the B10 while enabling Kendall to avoid mixing with Tim Doyle at NW games)!
 
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Another thin hurting phoenix is the transfer portal. I think if this was 5-6 years ago and everyone was taking big prep classes again he would be a lock to Illinois as we would have more spots and would be recruiting him harder. But the days of big prep classes are over.
Do we already have targets that we’ve got a good feeling about from the portal after this season?
 
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I don’t understand why we are not putting a full court press on Gill. Maybe we are and he is keeping quiet about his recruitment to the Illini.
 
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I don’t understand why we are not putting a full court press on Gill. Maybe we are and he is keeping quiet about his recruitment to the Illini.
I read it as Illinois told him that they'd love to have him and will take his commitment now, but they are not guaranteeing him any level of playing time or starting role. He'd have to earn it. Other schools are probably selling him on a bigger role from day 1.
 
#64      

Joel Goodson

ties will be resolved
I read it as Illinois told him that they'd love to have him and will take his commitment now, but they are not guaranteeing him any level of playing time or starting role. He'd have to earn it. Other schools are probably selling him on a bigger role from day 1.

and even if they aren't, the sledding isn't as tough elsewhere. not to mention that at other schools he'll be seen as another player, whereas at Illinois he's the son of a legend. maybe he'll welcome that. maybe he won't
 
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Obviously I see who all isn’t there anymore, but what all happened? If you can share.
I don't have the whole story and have heard this through a secondary-type source. I believe Admin wanted to hold the coach accountable, not really in wins and losses, but his role at the school. I guess the coach was upset and took his talents to Burbank, IL. Thinking about it though, Rita had some very talented teams, but never advanced past their sectionals--thanks to schools like Morgan Park, Kenwood, WY and Simeon. Tough sectionals to get out of.

New coach is from Chicago Payton. I think he's got some AAU ties, so hopefully, he can get some recruits and send the Morez's types to the Illini.
 
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He said himself, the 3 schools recruiting him the hardest are not us. I'm sure all those schools are also pushing him to commit. But again, by his own words he views Illinois as #4 in terms of schools that want him.
From what ze insiders have said, it sounds like staff gave him the full court press when he came to C-U and he wants more time & love.

I just don't see that as slow playing him, I see it as the staff moving on.
 
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From what ze insiders have said, it sounds like staff gave him the full court press when he came to C-U and he wants more time & love.

I just don't see that as slow playing him, I see it as the staff moving on.
Not sure how you're reading that, considering Indy explicitly said it shouldn't be a shock that we are NOT putting on the full court press.

All I will say is you better be confident in your eval if you pass on a Illini HOFers son. If he goes elsewhere and has a great career, you'll look pretty stupid.
 
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Not sure how you're reading that, considering Indy explicitly said it shouldn't be a shock that we are NOT putting on the full court press.

All I will say is you better be confident in your eval if you pass on a Illini HOFers son. If he goes elsewhere and has a great career, you'll look pretty stupid.
Isn't it possible Illinois isn't passing and yet he still goes elsewhere? I know it's hard to believe, but sometime recruits choose somewhere besides ILL even when we want them...
 
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Not sure how you're reading that, considering Indy explicitly said it shouldn't be a shock that we are NOT putting on the full court press.

All I will say is you better be confident in your eval if you pass on a Illini HOFers son. If he goes elsewhere and has a great career, you'll look pretty stupid.
Maybe I'm insane, but I thought Indy/illini 0440 had a post that spoke to IL letting the young man know he should commit during his visit otherwise theyd be looking elsewhere.

Its no longer showing up in the posts so I dont know. But also youre not wrong, I just trust this staffs evals, i think their biggest issue has been not cutting bait for plan C quick enough.
 
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Maybe I'm insane, but I thought Indy/illini 0440 had a post that spoke to IL letting the young man know he should commit during his visit otherwise theyd be looking elsewhere.

Its no longer showing up in the posts so I dont know. But also youre not wrong, I just trust this staffs evals, i think their biggest issue has been not cutting bait for plan C quick enough.
One of them did post that about pushing him to commit when he was on campus but he didn’t want to or didn’t do it.
 
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It doesn't matter if we do or not. That's just the way it's going to be going forward. 2-3y years in a college program> 3 star prep kid
You are right. It will be hard for a freshman to start for big schools soon. Either you developed in the program or you were a good player at a smaller school wanting to make it

There is so much talent on good mid major schools who can fundamentally play and are more mature than most top 100 recruits. The expectations are big programs reload and don’t rebuild

Think about it Fears was a McDonald’s All American and isn’t even starting for MSU. I think the days of loading up with 5 star one and dones are gone.
 
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One of them did post that about pushing him to commit when he was on campus but he didn’t want to or didn’t do it.
So the point isn't that we're slow playing, isn't that we're not recruiting hard and that yeah there is some uncertainty b/c he could be a future NBA hall of famer.

But if he wanted to be an Illini, he'd be an Illini and if his name was Phoenix Brown this all wouldn't cause anyone a second thought.
 
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Not to be the downer, but I've seen this movie before. We slow play the good player chasing the great and end up with neither.
The landscape has changed. Many kids are going to go where they can get minutes, then worry about winning later.

The Illini will simply worry about winning now, all the time.

If you choose not to wait your turn here, good luck to you. Maybe we’ll see you in a couple years when you are tired of finishing 8th in the conference.
 
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You are right. It will be hard for a freshman to start for big schools soon. Either you developed in the program or you were a good player at a smaller school wanting to make it

There is so much talent on good mid major schools who can fundamentally play and are more mature than most top 100 recruits. The expectations are big programs reload and don’t rebuild

Think about it Fears was a McDonald’s All American and isn’t even starting for MSU. I think the days of loading up with 5 star one and dones are gone.
Schools aren't going to be able to play 23 year olds for much longer, or if you're North Carolina, a 25 year old. With Fears, you failed to mention that MSU returned 2 guys at the guard position one a Sr the other a super Sr who averaged 13 and 15 ppg respectively to go along with their 6 and 3 apg, both All Big Ten players.

During normal times, Tyson Walker would not be able to return to school and Fears gets major minutes, if not starts. It sounds like he was expecting one or both of those guys to leave and it didn't happen, otherwise he might not have chose MSU.
 
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