Terrence Shannon Jr. suspended
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Very true. It's just very difficult to understand how he could even be in that situation to begin with. But until all (at least most) of the facts are out, it's just guessing at this point.
I guess we don't know how far back this relationship goes, but the fact that it happened on the road in Kansas makes one think it was short term. In which case it's stupid.
If he brought his girl friend and then this is the result, I'd agree with your point.
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
How he got there is easy. He's an attractive, physically cut young man with enough charisma to pull any woman he wants. I don't expect 20 somethings to turn down sex.
The other issue is that we don't talk sex openly enough and we don't teach kids to talk about it. We need to shake off the puritanical fear of having consenting adults talk about what they do together
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
Consent is even more important for a one night stand, exactly for this reason
Why can't we have nice things?
You can indict a ham sandwich. Don’t have any information about whether he is guilty or innocent, but there are many reasons / motivations to bring charges, even if evidence is weak.
3 point girl
- texas
How are you dumbfounded by "innocent until proven guilty"?
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
Douglas County Kansas DA running for reelection.
I recommend reading a little about this DA. Here is just a recent tidbit
lawrencekstimes.com
I recommend reading a little about this DA. Here is just a recent tidbit
Prosecutor asks panel to suspend Douglas County DA’s law license after day 3 of disciplinary hearing
The prosecutor handling a complaint against Douglas County DA Suzanne Valdez asked a disciplinary panel Wednesday to consider whether they believe the testimony of Valdez and her deputy, or that of the other 13 witnesses who testified.
lawrencekstimes.com
Does the victim/accusers identity remain private from legal standpoint?
When I saw the title of the thread I thought maybe he violated a team rule and it would be a one game thing.
But this...this I was not expecting. Wow. No effing way.
But this...this I was not expecting. Wow. No effing way.
hooraybeer
- Pittsburgh, PA
shocking and horrible in every way.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Yeah, it amazes me how people think if you want to “support victims,” you have to assume guilt just because someone is charged. That’s antithetical to our legal values and basic morality, IMO.
The fact is, VERY few people - and I’d wager nobody on this board, even insiders - know if there is merit to the charge. The best we have is our legal system to try to get to the bottom of this, and until then it’s my firm belief Terence should be presumed innocent. That doesn’t mean this woman is “lying” or whatever; it just means she made a very serious claim, and we as a society have long ago decided such claims need to be proven. It’s not been proven, obviously.
Snipped from WGN. For informational purposes only. Hoping and praying he is innocent.
Same. I was like what happened did he get caught with some weed or some traffic violation. There was no way I thought it was this bad.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
Add an aggressive female DA....with an agenda....who is embroiled in deep controversy and disciplinary hearings.... and running for reelection.
Yes, you have to tell your children never to engage in sexual activity if there is even the tiniest bit of ambiguity about consent, and that includes cases where someone seems willing but might be impaired by alcohol/drugs or where their partner has consented to other activities during that encounter or the same activity during another encounter.
Wow. Just wow. Total shock. I have read several insiders saying what a great kid TSJ is, and that always has been my impression, as well. BUT ... after a three month investigation, the Lawrence DA found probable cause to charge him with rape. Not sexual harassment, not sexual assault, but rape. That is a significant hurdle that has been cleared in the eyes of the DA - way more than just he said/she said in order to result in that criminal charge. He is innocent until proven guilty, and most likely a plea bargain will happens sometime (it seems like darn near every case has one these days), but this is just awful on so many levels for her, for him, for the program, and for the university.
It has also been mentioned how this is a lifechanging event for TSJ. True, but not just for him, but numerous other individuals. Certainly the victim. Also his family, coaches, teammates, and AD. It could be immediately program altering in the age of NIL and the portal.
Again, just wow.
It has also been mentioned how this is a lifechanging event for TSJ. True, but not just for him, but numerous other individuals. Certainly the victim. Also his family, coaches, teammates, and AD. It could be immediately program altering in the age of NIL and the portal.
Again, just wow.
Regarding merit of a charge, what is the threshold? Can I just walk into the police office and make a crime claim and get someone arrested? Doesn't it seem there was some effort to establish a viable case here before a charge was filed, especially since it says they all knew about this since September?
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
The D.A. is always running for re-election, or for election to the next level up. See: Mike Nifong, Durham North Carolina, 2006.Douglas County Kansas DA running for reelection.
I recommend reading a little about this DA. Here is just a recent tidbit
Prosecutor asks panel to suspend Douglas County DA’s law license after day 3 of disciplinary hearing
The prosecutor handling a complaint against Douglas County DA Suzanne Valdez asked a disciplinary panel Wednesday to consider whether they believe the testimony of Valdez and her deputy, or that of the other 13 witnesses who testified.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Maybe “merit” isn’t the word I should have used - I meant we don’t know if this woman’s version of events are true/severe enough to convict Terence and label him legally as a sex offender … that’s a very serious thing. I’m not an expert on the law, but we were all in college once and I’ll bet anything a lot of alcohol was involved; my point is this might be a really gray area situation, Terence might be guilty or this might be a false charge. We just don’t know.
A: “Dumbfound” began life in the 17th century as a combination of “dumb” (speechless) and “confound” (to surprise and confuse). It was originally spelled “dumfound,” and is still sometimes seen that way. The Oxford English Dictionary defines “dumbfound” as to “strike dumb; to confound, confuse; to nonplus
Anytime I feel dumbfonded I know it is time for some serous reflection, and the last place I want to venture is social media.
Anytime I feel dumbfonded I know it is time for some serous reflection, and the last place I want to venture is social media.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
The resident atty's here can correct me if wrong, but I believe most states require actual evidence of three things in order to bring charges.
Evidence of sexual contact between defendant and victim, evidence that force was used by defendant, and evidence that the victim did not consent.
Evidence of sexual contact between defendant and victim, evidence that force was used by defendant, and evidence that the victim did not consent.
Illini in Indiana
- Indiana
As a fan I'm crushed. Probably the biggest "kick in the groin" yet, and their has been a few for Illini basketball
Prayer for both sides in this case. We all don't know any facts and all our opinions don't really matter.
Since charges have been filled and the University has suspended him indefinitely, he is very likely done for the year.
We are still a good team and will likely have a decent year (in the dance), but it will be tough for the team to play under this shadow,
Prayer for both sides in this case. We all don't know any facts and all our opinions don't really matter.
Since charges have been filled and the University has suspended him indefinitely, he is very likely done for the year.
We are still a good team and will likely have a decent year (in the dance), but it will be tough for the team to play under this shadow,
I agree but only if you say the same thing when it’s Brandon Miller or whichever other team’s star gets accused.
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