Someone tell me how Josh and Brad didn't screw up royally here? How could any internal investigation they should have done come up with nothing when there apparently is enough to charge him with rape? I just cannot imagine what they could possibly say that could excuse their inaction up until now. Did they really put themselves in a position where there is no choice but to fire them??? I am absolutely dumbfounded.
Great questions Chief. Upon further reflection, I might ask will he stay in school, even if he is innocent? Regardless, the blow to his psyche will likely take years from which to recover and any possibility, or reality, of his return to the team this season will likely see only a shadow of his former self.I don't see how this could have occurred in September and just now be coming to having charges filed and handled. If the University was aware of the accusation as mentioned then they surely looked into it on some level and let him continue to play. If they felt he did it i don't believe he would have been on the team. I don't know TSJ but I just find thus hard to believe from what I've seen from him.
I mean, a “charge” is just a formal accusation. We don’t know much about actionable evidence beyond what the university’s statement said.Someone tell me how Josh and Brad didn't screw up royally here? How could any internal investigation they should have done come up with nothing when there apparently is enough to charge him with rape? I just cannot imagine what they could possibly say that could excuse their inaction up until now. Did they really put themselves in a position where there is no choice but to fire them??? I am absolutely dumbfounded.
I don't understand this take? You wanted them to conduct a criminal investigation and dole out judgement faster than law enforcement and prosecution even could?Someone tell me how Josh and Brad didn't screw up royally here? How could any internal investigation they should have done come up with nothing when there apparently is enough to charge him with rape? I just cannot imagine what they could possibly say that could excuse their inaction up until now. Did they really put themselves in a position where there is no choice but to fire them??? I am absolutely dumbfounded.
Relax there redwing. You wanted him suspended on an allegation? With the character TSJ has displayed, the amount of money he stands to lose and the fact he has willingly cooperated with KS authorities I think you should wait till this plays out before firing anybody or convicting TSJSomeone tell me how Josh and Brad didn't screw up royally here? How could any internal investigation they should have done come up with nothing when there apparently is enough to charge him with rape? I just cannot imagine what they could possibly say that could excuse their inaction up until now. Did they really put themselves in a position where there is no choice but to fire them??? I am absolutely dumbfounded.
In criminal cases DNA results are usually available in 24 to 72 hoursI was speaking generally because as a high school counselor, I've worked with both those who are accusing others of this kind of thing and those who have been accused. It's hard on both parties and always devastating.
It can also take the police a long time to gather evidence and move forward. If they were waiting for court orders for cell phones or lab reports confirming what DNA belonged to whom, it could also take a while.
What are you even saying?Someone tell me how Josh and Brad didn't screw up royally here? How could any internal investigation they should have done come up with nothing when there apparently is enough to charge him with rape? I just cannot imagine what they could possibly say that could excuse their inaction up until now. Did they really put themselves in a position where there is no choice but to fire them??? I am absolutely dumbfounded.
The D.A. builds the case. In big cases, they want to make sure they are air tight in order to assure a conviction.The accuser didn't just come out with it though. It took the police 4 months to decide to charge. That is odd. What new evidence could there be?
And I'm sorry, there have been too many similar cases for me to say who the "victim" is at this point. It’s an unfortunate realty that some people have hurt the credibility of actual victims to the point that it’s hard to believe these things without doubt.
IMHO, the answer should be obvious. Until charges are filed, the University, coaches, AD, and teammates have an (legal?) obligation to avoid discussion.Someone tell me how Josh and Brad didn't screw up royally here? How could any internal investigation they should have done come up with nothing when there apparently is enough to charge him with rape? I just cannot imagine what they could possibly say that could excuse their inaction up until now. Did they really put themselves in a position where there is no choice but to fire them??? I am absolutely dumbfounded.
Discussing this from purely a basketball point of view, I agree with your sentiments, but disagree with the thoughts that this won't derail the season. This team went from top 10 with Final Four potential to a bubble team and even that's a maybe.Obviously, this issue must play itself out in the court system. And those without intimate knowledge of the events should not speculate about it.
Where it should NOT play itself out is on the basketball court. The Illini have taken a shock to the system but they cannot allow this to derail one of the most promising seasons in years.
There is a great deal of talent on this team. So much so, that the potential loss of Shannon would open up floor time for guys to bring out and display some their own ball talent in ways that would not be been possible before.
We all know the importance of team. We know how special it is when guys just blend and bond together and form something greater than the sum of its parts. But any team MUST be more than one guy.
This is a test of character for the Illini. What kind of character do they have? Are they going to just fold and find excuses for failing? Or are they going to dig deep and find in themselves strength and purpose that they did not call upon before?
The Fighting Illini do not just play for each other. They play for the entire State of Illinois. They play for Illini Nation. They play for all the guys over the decades who have put on the Orange and Blue. And they play for future generations of Illini who will be watching to see how this current group – and the Coaches – handle things.
We know this thing sucks. But sports is dealing with the unexpected. It is facing whatever comes your way and meeting that challenge and prospering anyway.
Let’s go, Fighting Illini. Be shocked... hurt... angry... confused... and then get back on your game and have the great season that you and Illini Nation were on the path to having.
This is just dumb… how would you have handled this situation? Keep in mind the future of a young man, the reputation of your program, and likely multiple millions of dollars in liability exposure are all at stake.Someone tell me how Josh and Brad didn't screw up royally here? How could any internal investigation they should have done come up with nothing when there apparently is enough to charge him with rape? I just cannot imagine what they could possibly say that could excuse their inaction up until now. Did they really put themselves in a position where there is no choice but to fire them??? I am absolutely dumbfounded.
Hoping like hell that the charges are false and this statement is just a signal that some monetary settlement is off the table. If the accusations are true, well, I'm really at a loss how someone could be that stupid. But, I guess you just never can figure people out. Either way, someone made a serious, stupid mistake that will forever impact someone's life. Tragic."Terrence is innocent of these charges, and he intends to take his case to trial."
Well, if this is in fact the case....his season is indeed over. The absolute best case was the charges are dropped/reduced quickly and he could come back late season.
Going to trial is a ways off.
Luke, Harmon and DGL's minutes just went way up.
The reality of this is that, now, the best case scenario we can hope for is that TSJ did not commit sexual assault, and this young man's life can resume. This will take the entirety of the season so he will not be able to return.
Sometimes it's not stupidity at all. Sometimes it's a total lack of communication. If anyone has scoffed at the idea of enthusiastic/affirmative consent, now is the time to reconsider. Teaching that is the only way to really avoid these kinds of situations.Hoping like hell that the charges are false and this statement is just a signal that some monetary settlement is off the table. If the accusations are true, well, I'm really at a loss how someone could be that stupid. But, I guess you just never can figure people out. Either way, someone made a serious, stupid mistake that will forever impact someone's life. Tragic.
Seriously. If it actually happened, it's really horrible for the accuser. If it didn't happen it's really horrible for the accused. Either way, there is a victim here that got a much bigger raw deal then us basketball fans.I am the absolute farthest thing in the world from any type of self righteous, social justice warrior… but that’s what you take away from this?
i tried to say something similar to this, but you summed it up much much better. Two lives have changed, forever, today.Great questions Chief. Upon further reflection, I might ask will he stay in school, even if he is innocent? Regardless, the blow to his psyche will likely take years from which to recover and any possibility, or reality, of his return to the team this season will likely see only a shadow of his former self.
What we know of TSjr., the public figure, player, and representative of the University, has always seemed so positive in many, many ways.
Of course, this kind of allegation is not new in our world and serves to show others how important it is to take some time to reflect on where you are and with whom. Today's athletes obviously are now walking a much narrower tightrope without a safety net than those of the last millennium. Having graduated 55 years ago, the social landscape has changed drastically and the landmines, for both men and women, are more difficult to avoid.
Bottom line TSjr. has provided all of us with a shocking and disappointing reminder of the pitfalls of our passionate support and interest in college athletics. I hope this gets resolved with some satisfaction to both parties, but that young man, and the young woman involved, will have their lives changed forever starting today.
As we all await the facts, I can't help but wonder what the conversations in the locker room are like and how BU adjusts without having our on-court leader.Obviously, this issue must play itself out in the court system. And those without intimate knowledge of the events should not speculate about it.
Where it should NOT play itself out is on the basketball court. The Illini have taken a shock to the system but they cannot allow this to derail one of the most promising seasons in years.
There is a great deal of talent on this team. So much so, that the potential loss of Shannon would open up floor time for guys to bring out and display some their own ball talent in ways that would not be been possible before.
We all know the importance of team. We know how special it is when guys just blend and bond together and form something greater than the sum of its parts. But any team MUST be more than one guy.
This is a test of character for the Illini. What kind of character do they have? Are they going to just fold and find excuses for failing? Or are they going to dig deep and find in themselves strength and purpose that they did not call upon before?
The Fighting Illini do not just play for each other. They play for the entire State of Illinois. They play for Illini Nation. They play for all the guys over the decades who have put on the Orange and Blue. And they play for future generations of Illini who will be watching to see how this current group – and the Coaches – handle things.
We know this thing sucks. But sports is dealing with the unexpected. It is facing whatever comes your way and meeting that challenge and prospering anyway.
Let’s go, Fighting Illini. Be shocked... hurt... angry... confused... and then get back on your game and have the great season that you and Illini Nation were on the path to having.