It’s the equivalent of calling time out to quiet the crowd and stop the momentum when the other team goes on a run.
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You can argue that TSJ will already severe a life sentence of sorts from this without conviction already.
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
And going 1 mile over the speed limit is speeding by law.The law states what rape is - what’s being charged is non-consensual penetration via digits - that makes it the legal definition of rape (whether you believe TSJ is guilty or not). The logic presented in another example: if I don’t think smoking weed and driving is operating a vehicle under the influence - it’s not because I simply disagree with it.
Krombopulos_Michael
- Aurora, Illinois (that’s a suburb of Chicago)
Yeah because sexual assault is comparable to a minor traffic infraction that wouldn’t be enforced under any circumstances. Point of the post is - laws don’t magically not become laws bc we don’t agree with them. The charges constitute what the law says in Kansas. And people need to stop assuming that those of us who understand this think TSJ is guilty based on what we know. There are people on this board who know victims of SA and the dialogue by some is flat out offensive.
The line that separates rape from sexual battery is whether penetration occurred. If the DA can't prove that penetration occurred then they have to prove the alternate charge which is sexual battery.
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sacraig
- The desert
Or, like, a million.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
IANAL or IAAL … exercise humility!
sacraig
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Noblesville Illini
- Nappanee, IN
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Hm. I think you're way, way off with your first sentence. I don't recall seeing that typed or even implied. If I've missed it, I'm still comfortable saying such nincompoops are not a large or loud contingent. We're all on edge and defensive, and I don't think you're in some misunderstood minority.
Your second sentence is related to what's really tested my patience and stomach in the last day. It's regrettable that any secondhand victim here has been offended. How does that compare to a firsthand victim who came on and, because of a controversial opinion, had their experience dismissed? I haven't seen anyone call them a liar... just deliberately ignore their story.
Overall, we're doing okay. The temperature could still afford to come down a bit. We could be better.
Tacomallini
- Washington State
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I learned some things listening to Kendrick and other callers today on sat sports talk. I did not know that zero DNA evidence was found on the victim. I didn’t not know that TJ volunteered himself prior to the charges for a DNA swab. I thought it was interesting that TJ had/has know idea of the identity of the person accusing him. Also, and lastly, I had assumed she was a KU student. She’s not. No conclusions, just a lot of details I hadn’t heard before.
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More specifically, Kedric said the DNA evidence came back and “it wasn’t Tererence’s DNA,” which, if correct, would imply that there was someone else’s DNA found besides the accuser’s, just not TSJ’s.I learned some things listening to Kendrick and other callers today on sat sports talk. I did not know that zero DNA evidence was found on the victim. I didn’t not know that TJ volunteered himself prior to the charges for a DNA swab. I thought it was interesting that TJ had/has know idea of the identity of the person accusing him. Also, and lastly, I had assumed she was a KU student. She’s not. No conclusions, just a lot of details I hadn’t heard before.
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On another note, the accuser says TSJ was wearing a mustard yellow shirt during the alleged incident. I’d be interested to know if that’s indeed what he was wearing. That’s in one of the sworn documents and to my knowledge, no one has disputed that. But we didn’t know about this DNA wrinkle either until Kedric mentioned it.
Surely given our cell phone camera-centric society these days, there must be a plethora of photos and/or videos from inside the bar that night. Even just seeing what color shirt TSJ was wearing that night could help clarify things, one way or the other.
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I took the point of the original post to be that the problem is that when the story is discussed in the media, and people see the word "rape", they get a very different impression of what the police report says they think happened.
If the media said he's been charged with raping a girl, and then went on to say, "the rape allegedly occurred in the middle of the afternoon, at the entrance of a crowded bar. Neither the victim's friend nor TJ's friend, who were with them at the bar, nor any witness in the bar have come forward saying they saw any sort of violent encounter. The security camera only shows the two across the room from each other", it would be an unfair report, but this time to the girl.
So again I ask. Zero DNA evidence and zero video evidence, why are we STILL here? Not even asking how the charges were brought but how are we STILL here? Can you really bring someone to trial for felony rape based on word and nothing else?????I learned some things listening to Kendrick and other callers today on sat sports talk. I did not know that zero DNA evidence was found on the victim. I didn’t not know that TJ volunteered himself prior to the charges for a DNA swab. I thought it was interesting that TJ had/has know idea of the identity of the person accusing him. Also, and lastly, I had assumed she was a KU student. She’s not. No conclusions, just a lot of details I hadn’t heard before.
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Captain 14
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At least from what has been written on here apparently yes...and convict them too.
Yes you can. In rape cases, no evidence is necessary other than an accusation. Additional evidence is helpful but not required. There is additional evidence in this case including video evidence both parties were in the bar at the same time. Also, a friend of the accuser confirmed that she told her about the incident before they left the bar. It's a he said, she said situation. I personally believe there is reasonable doubt, but the jurors could come to a different conclusion. TJ's life is in their hands unless the accuser stops cooperating.
With that being said, I'm interested to see if TJ's team can locate the girl who supposedly TJ had his arm around while the incident occurred. Or if the guys he was hanging with saw the accuser and TJ together. Their testimonies could be helpful.
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So all you need is 1 person to claim sexual assault and you can take any player off any team at any time? Even from a couple states away? Any Kansas players get Even slightly out of line when here for the exhibition game? This is take years to play out in the courts.
I agree. It was more so a friendly jab at our fans (myself included).
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
this is what is so frustrating to many of us : how a "he said, she said" case with minimal other "evidence" can ruin someone's life. Its mind boggling
If that was TSJ with the other girl and if this happened. Remember he was picked out from an internet search. Also sounds like there was a crowd around them, who knows who it was. No clear evidence to charge or convict imho.
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