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#51      
In general, we have had a tragic history in March Madness ... the fact that 5 Final Fours, 9 Elite Eights and 13 Sweet Sixteens is "tragic" shows just how great we have been during the regular season historically. Our NCAA Tournament pedigree might not even be top 30 all-time, whereas our regular season pedigree is borderline top 10 ... hence why you usually find the Illini in the top 20-25 programs all-time. We need another big Tournament run.

Going back to 1980, I looked where we had a top 6 seed in the NCAA Tournament, as I think that's a reasonable cutoff for "having a decent chance" at a run. You set yourself up VERY reasonably to be in the Second Round and at least play a winnable game to make the Sweet Sixteen.

Impressively, of all of the NCAA Tournaments in this timeframe if you count what we were projected at for 2020 and what we are projected at for this year, the Illini have been a top 6 seed in over half of those years, even counting years we didn't make it at all like that terrible stretch under Groce! We have given ourselves many, many chances, and it has produced a lot of heartache for our Illini ... which I would sort into these categories.

MASSIVE DISAPPOINTMENT
1987:
First Round loss as a #3 seed that finished #11 in the AP Poll. Honestly glad I was not alive for this one, my dad still doesn't like to talk about it, lol...
2021: Second Round loss to a smaller instate school as a #1 seed that finished #2 in the AP Poll ... ugh, still haunts me.

DISAPPOINTMENT
1981:
Sweet Sixteen as a #4 seed is nice, but we lost to a #8 seed there. Elite Eight was there for the taking.
1988: Second Round loss as a #3 seed to the #6 seed.
1990: First Round loss as a #5 seed.
1997: Second Round loss as a #6 seed might seem like the default, but as you noted we lost to #14 seed Chattanooga, and #10 Providence had just upset #2 Duke ... missed chance to finally go on a SURPRISE NCAA Tournament run.
2003: Second Round loss as a #4 seed to a #5 seed might seem reasonable, but this is the first ENTIRE season I remember ... we came out so flat vs. Notre Dame, and I really thought that team could go further in Cook's senior year. :(
2009: First Round loss as a #5 seed is always a disappointment, but I also will say that we all had very little confidence in this squad without Chester out there.

ARGUABLY MET EXPECTATIONS BUT IN A DISAPPOINTING WAY
1986:
Second Round loss as a #4 seed to the #5 seed (and by 2 points) ... you're theoretically the favorite, but it's a toss-up (and we were only #19 in the AP Poll that year so maybe even over-seeded?).
2001: Elite Eight loss as a #1 seed to a #2 seed. Arguably our goal was a Final Four, but that Arizona team was really tough ... it's obviously beyond frustrating the way we lost with an NCAAT-record number of fouls...
2006: Second Round loss as a #4 seed to a #5 seed. Some might see this as a disappointment given the incredibly high status of the program at this time, but I just remember not really thinking this team was going far ... we were within a missed 3-pointer of the Sweet Sixteen. Disappointing but not a flop.

MET REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS IN A SATISFACTORY WAY
1984: Elite Eight as a #2 seed, and we lost to a #1 seed. Yes, the WAY we lost (BS call playing Kentucky on their literal home floor) I'm sure was massively disappointing, but a successful postseason nonetheless.
1985: Sweet Sixteen as a #3 seed is reasonable if you lose to the #2 seed.
1989: Final Four as a #1 seed is all you can ask for, IMO. That team was good enough to win it all so it's disappointing (especially losing to Michigan), but this is still a season where we did what we set out to do - make it to the Final Four.
1993: Second Round loss as a #6 seed to the #3 seed. Plus, we got smoked, lol, so we weren't going anywhere.
1998: Second Round loss as a #5 seed to the #4 seed.
2000: Second Round loss as a #4 seed to a #5 seed - and that #5 seed Florida team would make its way all the way to the National Championship Game. Plus, I feel like we were still "learning to be good" again as a program with all of those young guys.
2002: Sweet Sixteen as a #4 seed, and we lost to a #1 seed. We were also coming off of an Elite Eight run where we lost some key players, so it really spoke to the health of the program that we were right back in the Second Weekend the next year.
2022: Second Round loss as a #4 seed to a #5 seed. Similarly to 2006, our record earned us a top 4 seed, but we weren't really playing like it. The difference from 2006, IMO, was that Houston was very under-seeded and we'd just hung a Big Ten Championship banner, so this one was easier to take, at least for me ... the only disappointment is that the whole "not making the Second Weekend" narrative REALLY gained steam here.

EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS
2004:
Sweet Sixteen as a #5 seed, and we lost to a #1 seed. The real travesty here is that this team was not a higher seed, but the way we pummeled #4 seed Cincinnati in the Second Round and the fact that we had everyone returning gave me a good feeling as we exited this Tournament.
2005: National Championship Game loss as a #1 seed to another #1 seed. Yes, the goal was to win it all ... but if you are one of the last TWO teams standing playing for a National Title down to the final seconds, you have had an incredible year ... March Madness is a single-elimination crapshoot, after all.

YET TO BE
2024:
#13 AP - #4 seed projected - Sweet Sixteen expectation, given everything?

P.S. Before my time gets audited by the board, no I am not working today! :ROFLMAO:

Very nicely done. Sucks that you had to do it on your own time, though. ;)
 
#52      
I'm trying to figure out the most likely spot of the eight Illinois goes to. No offense to Spokane, but was really hoping for somewhere closer.

I've seen a few people here narrow it down -- am I doing this right? Do you just take the top 4 seeds and find the locations closest to them and put two at each site? Who winds up in Spokane or Salt Lake City if there are no west schools besides Arizona? Just kind of bad luck for the lowest rated 4 seeds?

Just going off this week's AP top 16 for a ballpark idea, obviously that's not how the committee does it and things will certainly change...but if these are the 16 teams

Thursday -
Charlotte - Tennessee, UNC
Omaha - KU, Iowa State
Pittsburgh - Duke?, Alabama?
Salt Lake City - Arizona, Creighton?

Friday
Brooklyn - UConn, Illinois?
Indy - Purdue, Marquette
Spokane - Baylor???, Kentucky??
Memphis - Houston, Auburn

I saw someone mention Washington State in Spokane as a 5 seed but I don't think that can happen because it's unfair to the 4 seed to play a "road" game. They would have to move up to a 4 seed to go to Spokane?

Been going to see Illinois in the tournament for 30 years and am always hoping for a reasonable drive, somewhere fun, and somewhere warm enough to golf, but unless we could pass up maybe Auburn and go to Memphis I guess I don't see that happening. And it seems like there will be plenty of competition of teams fairly close to Memphis for that spot. I was just in Pittsburgh two years ago and wouldn't mind that at all, but does NCAA try not to send schools to the same site, or is that even a consideration?

Thanks for any insight into this
 
#53      
MET REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS IN A SATISFACTORY WAY
1984: Elite Eight as a #2 seed, and we lost to a #1 seed. Yes, the WAY we lost (BS call playing Kentucky on their literal home floor) I'm sure was massively disappointing, but a successful postseason nonetheless. ---- vs. Sam Bowie Mel Turpin
1985:
Sweet Sixteen as a #3 seed is reasonable if you lose to the #2 seed. ---- vs Mark Price John Salley G Tech
1989:
Final Four as a #1 seed is all you can ask for, IMO. That team was good enough to win it all so it's disappointing (especially losing to Michigan), but this is still a season where we did what we set out to do - make it to the Final Four. - Glenn Rice Sean Higgins Terry Mills
1993:
Second Round loss as a #6 seed to the #3 seed. Plus, we got smoked, lol, so we weren't going anywhere. -- Vanderbuilt - SEC champion
1998:
Second Round loss as a #5 seed to the #4 seed. -- Lost to MD
2000:
Second Round loss as a #4 seed to a #5 seed - and that #5 seed Florida team would make its way all the way to the National Championship Game. Plus, I feel like we were still "learning to be good" again as a program with all of those young guys. - Mike Miller, Matt Bonner Udonis Haslem
2002:
Sweet Sixteen as a #4 seed, and we lost to a #1 seed. We were also coming off of an Elite Eight run where we lost some key players, so it really spoke to the health of the program that we were right back in the Second Weekend the next year. ----lost to Kansas and Kirk Hinrich, Drew Gooden
2022:
Second Round loss as a #4 seed to a #5 seed. Similarly to 2006, our record earned us a top 4 seed, but we weren't really playing like it. The difference from 2006, IMO, was that Houston was very under-seeded and we'd just hung a Big Ten Championship banner, so this one was easier to take, at least for me ... the only disappointment is that the whole "not making the Second Weekend" narrative REALLY gained steam here.

EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS
2004:
Sweet Sixteen as a #5 seed, and we lost to a #1 seed. The real travesty here is that this team was not a higher seed, but the way we pummeled #4 seed Cincinnati in the Second Round and the fact that we had everyone returning gave me a good feeling as we exited this Tournament. -- lost to Duke JJ Redick, Luol Deng, Sheldon Williams
2005:
National Championship Game loss as a #1 seed to another #1 seed. Yes, the goal was to win it all ... but if you are one of the last TWO teams standing playing for a National Title down to the final seconds, you have had an incredible year ... March Madness is a single-elimination crapshoot, after all.

YET TO BE
2024:
#13 AP - #4 seed projected - Sweet Sixteen expectation, given everything?

P.S. Before my time gets audited by the board, no I am not working today! :ROFLMAO:
 
#54      
These discussions of "narrative" got me thinking of who our all-time March Madness nemesis is, lol. These are my candidates ... either an absolutely crushing loss AND/OR some teams we have met more than once over the years:

KENTUCKY
L 46-44 in 1942 Elite Eight
L 76-47 in 1949 Final Four
L 76-74 in 1951 Final Four
L 54-51 in 1984 Elite Eight

KANSAS
W 80-64 in 2001 Sweet Sixteen
L 73-69 in 2002 Sweet Sixteen
L 73-59 in 2011 Second Round

ARIZONA
L 87-81 in 2001 Elite Eight
W 90-89 in OT in 2005 Elite Eight

LOYOLA (CHICAGO)
L 79-64 in 1963 Elite Eight
L 71-58 in 2021 Second Round (Illini a #1 seed)

MARYLAND
L 72-70 in 1984 Sweet Sixteen
L 67-61 in 1998 Second Round

LOUISVILLE
W 83-69 in 1989 Sweet Sixteen
W 72-57 in 2005 Final Four

CHATTANOOGA
L 75-63 in 1997 Second Round (Illini a #6 seed, Chattanooga a #14 seed)
W 54-53 in 2022 Second Round

WESTERN KENTUCKY
W 65-60 in 2003 First Round
L 76-72 in 2009 First Round (5/12 matchup)

DAYTON
W 80-61 in 1952 Sweet Sixteen
L 88-86 in 1990 First Round (5/12 matchup)

AUSTIN PEAY
L 68-67 in First Round (3/14 matchup)

Might have missed one or two. That Kentucky history is pretty insane, but you figure it has to be Arizona given how recent those games were, how close both were and that a trip to the Final Four was on the line both times.
I think Illinois beat Maryland in '84 to get to Kentucky?
 
#55      
I'm trying to figure out the most likely spot of the eight Illinois goes to. No offense to Spokane, but was really hoping for somewhere closer.

I've seen a few people here narrow it down -- am I doing this right? Do you just take the top 4 seeds and find the locations closest to them and put two at each site? Who winds up in Spokane or Salt Lake City if there are no west schools besides Arizona? Just kind of bad luck for the lowest rated 4 seeds?

Just going off this week's AP top 16 for a ballpark idea, obviously that's not how the committee does it and things will certainly change...but if these are the 16 teams

Thursday -
Charlotte - Tennessee, UNC
Omaha - KU, Iowa State
Pittsburgh - Duke?, Alabama?
Salt Lake City - Arizona, Creighton?

Friday
Brooklyn - UConn, Illinois?
Indy - Purdue, Marquette
Spokane - Baylor???, Kentucky??
Memphis - Houston, Auburn

I saw someone mention Washington State in Spokane as a 5 seed but I don't think that can happen because it's unfair to the 4 seed to play a "road" game. They would have to move up to a 4 seed to go to Spokane?

Been going to see Illinois in the tournament for 30 years and am always hoping for a reasonable drive, somewhere fun, and somewhere warm enough to golf, but unless we could pass up maybe Auburn and go to Memphis I guess I don't see that happening. And it seems like there will be plenty of competition of teams fairly close to Memphis for that spot. I was just in Pittsburgh two years ago and wouldn't mind that at all, but does NCAA try not to send schools to the same site, or is that even a consideration?

Thanks for any insight into this
A top 4 seed is only guaranteed to not have a home court disadvantage in their first game(that call first round second round these days). There’s definitely a world where a 4 seed plays their second seed against WSU in Spokane. They don’t avoid sending schools to the same site, they just try to avoid sending schools out of their region “an inordinate amount of times”. Going 2-2 versus 4-0 over our next 4 plus BTT could determine a lot about which location we play in.
 
#56      
In general, we have had a tragic history in March Madness ... the fact that 5 Final Fours, 9 Elite Eights and 13 Sweet Sixteens is "tragic" shows just how great we have been during the regular season historically. Our NCAA Tournament pedigree might not even be top 30 all-time, whereas our regular season pedigree is borderline top 10 ... hence why you usually find the Illini in the top 20-25 programs all-time. We need another big Tournament run.

Going back to 1980, I looked where we had a top 6 seed in the NCAA Tournament, as I think that's a reasonable cutoff for "having a decent chance" at a run. You set yourself up VERY reasonably to be in the Second Round and at least play a winnable game to make the Sweet Sixteen.

Impressively, of all of the NCAA Tournaments in this timeframe if you count what we were projected at for 2020 and what we are projected at for this year, the Illini have been a top 6 seed in over half of those years, even counting years we didn't make it at all like that terrible stretch under Groce! We have given ourselves many, many chances, and it has produced a lot of heartache for our Illini ... which I would sort into these categories.

MASSIVE DISAPPOINTMENT
1987:
First Round loss as a #3 seed that finished #11 in the AP Poll. Honestly glad I was not alive for this one, my dad still doesn't like to talk about it, lol...
2021: Second Round loss to a smaller instate school as a #1 seed that finished #2 in the AP Poll ... ugh, still haunts me.

DISAPPOINTMENT
1981:
Sweet Sixteen as a #4 seed is nice, but we lost to a #8 seed there. Elite Eight was there for the taking.
1988: Second Round loss as a #3 seed to the #6 seed.
1990: First Round loss as a #5 seed.
1997: Second Round loss as a #6 seed might seem like the default, but as you noted we lost to #14 seed Chattanooga, and #10 Providence had just upset #2 Duke ... missed chance to finally go on a SURPRISE NCAA Tournament run.
2003: Second Round loss as a #4 seed to a #5 seed might seem reasonable, but this is the first ENTIRE season I remember ... we came out so flat vs. Notre Dame, and I really thought that team could go further in Cook's senior year. :(
2009: First Round loss as a #5 seed is always a disappointment, but I also will say that we all had very little confidence in this squad without Chester out there.

ARGUABLY MET EXPECTATIONS BUT IN A DISAPPOINTING WAY
1986:
Second Round loss as a #4 seed to the #5 seed (and by 2 points) ... you're theoretically the favorite, but it's a toss-up (and we were only #19 in the AP Poll that year so maybe even over-seeded?).
2001: Elite Eight loss as a #1 seed to a #2 seed. Arguably our goal was a Final Four, but that Arizona team was really tough ... it's obviously beyond frustrating the way we lost with an NCAAT-record number of fouls...
2006: Second Round loss as a #4 seed to a #5 seed. Some might see this as a disappointment given the incredibly high status of the program at this time, but I just remember not really thinking this team was going far ... we were within a missed 3-pointer of the Sweet Sixteen. Disappointing but not a flop.

MET REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS IN A SATISFACTORY WAY
1984: Elite Eight as a #2 seed, and we lost to a #1 seed. Yes, the WAY we lost (BS call playing Kentucky on their literal home floor) I'm sure was massively disappointing, but a successful postseason nonetheless.
1985: Sweet Sixteen as a #3 seed is reasonable if you lose to the #2 seed.
1989: Final Four as a #1 seed is all you can ask for, IMO. That team was good enough to win it all so it's disappointing (especially losing to Michigan), but this is still a season where we did what we set out to do - make it to the Final Four.
1993: Second Round loss as a #6 seed to the #3 seed. Plus, we got smoked, lol, so we weren't going anywhere.
1998: Second Round loss as a #5 seed to the #4 seed.
2000: Second Round loss as a #4 seed to a #5 seed - and that #5 seed Florida team would make its way all the way to the National Championship Game. Plus, I feel like we were still "learning to be good" again as a program with all of those young guys.
2002: Sweet Sixteen as a #4 seed, and we lost to a #1 seed. We were also coming off of an Elite Eight run where we lost some key players, so it really spoke to the health of the program that we were right back in the Second Weekend the next year.
2022: Second Round loss as a #4 seed to a #5 seed. Similarly to 2006, our record earned us a top 4 seed, but we weren't really playing like it. The difference from 2006, IMO, was that Houston was very under-seeded and we'd just hung a Big Ten Championship banner, so this one was easier to take, at least for me ... the only disappointment is that the whole "not making the Second Weekend" narrative REALLY gained steam here.

EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS
2004:
Sweet Sixteen as a #5 seed, and we lost to a #1 seed. The real travesty here is that this team was not a higher seed, but the way we pummeled #4 seed Cincinnati in the Second Round and the fact that we had everyone returning gave me a good feeling as we exited this Tournament.
2005: National Championship Game loss as a #1 seed to another #1 seed. Yes, the goal was to win it all ... but if you are one of the last TWO teams standing playing for a National Title down to the final seconds, you have had an incredible year ... March Madness is a single-elimination crapshoot, after all.

YET TO BE
2024:
#13 AP - #4 seed projected - Sweet Sixteen expectation, given everything?

P.S. Before my time gets audited by the board, no I am not working today! :ROFLMAO:
I read through this and when I was done all I could do is lament that we were the best team in the country in 1989 and 2005 - and that there should be a couple of championship banners hanging in Assembly Hall. Unfortunately, the NCAA tourney is not designed to determine who the best team is in the country, which is why I think we have a real shot this year - we may not be the best team, but we are good enough to win if we get the right breaks.
 
#57      

chrisRunner7

Spokane, WA
I'm trying to figure out the most likely spot of the eight Illinois goes to. No offense to Spokane, but was really hoping for somewhere closer.

I've seen a few people here narrow it down -- am I doing this right? Do you just take the top 4 seeds and find the locations closest to them and put two at each site? Who winds up in Spokane or Salt Lake City if there are no west schools besides Arizona? Just kind of bad luck for the lowest rated 4 seeds?

Just going off this week's AP top 16 for a ballpark idea, obviously that's not how the committee does it and things will certainly change...but if these are the 16 teams

Thursday -
Charlotte - Tennessee, UNC
Omaha - KU, Iowa State
Pittsburgh - Duke?, Alabama?
Salt Lake City - Arizona, Creighton?

Friday
Brooklyn - UConn, Illinois?
Indy - Purdue, Marquette
Spokane - Baylor???, Kentucky??
Memphis - Houston, Auburn

I saw someone mention Washington State in Spokane as a 5 seed but I don't think that can happen because it's unfair to the 4 seed to play a "road" game. They would have to move up to a 4 seed to go to Spokane?

Been going to see Illinois in the tournament for 30 years and am always hoping for a reasonable drive, somewhere fun, and somewhere warm enough to golf, but unless we could pass up maybe Auburn and go to Memphis I guess I don't see that happening. And it seems like there will be plenty of competition of teams fairly close to Memphis for that spot. I was just in Pittsburgh two years ago and wouldn't mind that at all, but does NCAA try not to send schools to the same site, or is that even a consideration?

Thanks for any insight into this
You have the gist of it... I look at this most years but especially this year, as I am actually hoping Illinois will come to Spokane. (Sorry, not sorry, lol... though I would be ecstatic with a 3-seed instead for Illinois.) Spokane is the last choice for almost every team.

Creighton won't be able to play on their home court in Omaha. I was surprised but the University of Tennessee is closer to Charlotte than Memphis.

MatrixTeamConference#New York#Charlotte#Pittsburgh#Indianapolis#Memphis#Omaha#Salt Lake#Spokane
1PurdueBig Ten667854892364160340444767130881586
2UConnBig East111936502414474151066612237204382224
3HoustonBig 12714194927511393867148527966120081706
4ArizonaPac-12821216173971807514784121921039159331120
5North CarolinaACC3430111123174471562169837180282113
6TennesseeSEC5630118043762290335067457154681888
7MarquetteBig East6734566034471244455724297124081460
8KansasBig 127113158344817348823901162689181262
9Iowa StBig 127102058344716242035131131695081225
10AlabamaSEC6910240946523460119557227143681845
11DukeACC3420112123134474563069887180882116
12BaylorBig 12714344974611373838147926755103881543
13CreightonBig East71143691848352524353010583281145
14AuburnSEC6847232246213497131658317156281963
15San Diego StMountain West824316207972116517874156031308162821033
16IllinoisBig Ten6750552744361113235834117124281534
17WisconsinBig Ten6807570935171283455023597116681391
18KentuckySEC5590228132931149436866487147081781
19ClemsonACC5638111944282396341068457163681990
20DaytonAtlantic 1045423363222711685729610077234682790
21BYUBig 12719666171251661821684123038261382588
22Washington StPac-128216972035618945162341616311182490165
23Texas TechBig 12816045120271293496826821622374261266
24Saint Mary'sWest Coast (WCC)72252822836224651931417853141115842720
 
#58      

Bigtex

DFW
I read through this and when I was done all I could do is lament that we were the best team in the country in 1989 and 2005 - and that there should be a couple of championship banners hanging in Assembly Hall. Unfortunately, the NCAA tourney is not designed to determine who the best team is in the country, which is why I think we have a real shot this year - we may not be the best team, but we are good enough to win if we get the right breaks.
Can Illinois win 6 in a row?
 
#61      

Bigtex

DFW
Of course they can....will they???......probably not
can they? 20-7 2023-2024

11/6/2023Eastern IllinoisChampaign, Ill.W 80-52
11/10/2023OaklandChampaign, Ill.W 64-53
11/14/2023MarquetteChampaign, Ill.L 64-71
11/17/2023 ValparaisoChampaign, Ill.W 87-64
11/19/2023 SouthernChampaign, Ill.W 88-60
11/24/2023 Western IllinoisChampaign, Ill.W 84-52
12/2/2023at RutgersPiscataway, N.J.W 76-58
12/5/2023vs. Florida AtlanticNew York, N.Y.W 98-89
12/9/2023at TennesseeKnoxville, Tenn.L 79-86
12/17/2023ColgateChampaign, Ill.W 74-57
12/22/2023vs. MissouriSt. Louis, Mo.W 97-73
12/29/2023Fairleigh DickinsonChampaign, Ill.W 104-71
1/2/2024NorthwesternChampaign, Ill.W 96-66
1/5/2024at PurdueWest Lafayette, Ind.L 78-83
1/11/2024Michigan StateChampaign, Ill.W 71-68
1/14/2024MarylandChampaign, Ill.L 67-76
1/18/2024at MichiganAnn Arbor, Mich.W 88-73
1/21/2024RutgersChampaign, Ill.W 86-63
1/24/2024at NorthwesternEvanston, Ill.L 91-96 OT
1/27/2024IndianaChampaign, Ill.W 70-62
1/30/2024at Ohio StateColumbus, OhioW 87-75
2/4/2024NebraskaChampaign, Ill.W 87-84 OT
2/10/2024at Michigan StateEast Lansing, Mich.L 80-88
2/13/2024MichiganChampaign, Ill.W 97-68
2/17/2024at MarylandCollege Park, Md.W 85-80
2/21/2024at Penn StateUniversity Park, Pa.L 89-90
2/24/2024IowaChampaign, Ill.W 95-85
2/28/2024MinnesotaChampaign, Ill.9:00 P.M.
3/2/2024at WisconsinMadison, Wis.1:00 P.M
3/5/2024PurdueChampaign, Ill.7:00 P.M.
3/10/2024at IowaIowa City, IA7:00 P.M.
 
#62      
1.5M vs 1.1M is not a 10% increase in our base though.

If an Illinois (lapsed/casual/whatever) fan isn't tuning into an Illinois NCAA tournament, a matchup with Pearl/Sampson/Groce is not going to be what gets them to tune in and certainly not insignificant enough numbers for the committee to try and figure that out for as many of the 68 teams as they can. There is simply too much else for them to do on selection Sunday.
Okay, fair enough … I still don’t think this is some conspiracy theory. It seems patently obvious that if the Committee has two completely equal placements for a team and both keep the integrity of the bracket, it’s entirely reasonable for them to pick a more interesting matchup.
 
#63      
We were a 4 and weren't matched up with 13 seed Akron literally just 2 years ago, ya'll.
 
#64      
Okay, fair enough … I still don’t think this is some conspiracy theory. It seems patently obvious that if the Committee has two completely equal placements for a team and both keep the integrity of the bracket, it’s entirely reasonable for them to pick a more interesting matchup.
Rather than this angle, I think it's more of the opposite. Fans can find an interesting angle in almost any matchup.
 
#65      

lstewart53x3

Scottsdale, Arizona
Rather than this angle, I think it's more of the opposite. Fans can find an interesting angle in almost any matchup.
This.

And there are a dozen real narratives for each team, so the committee doesn‘t even have to try and pair them up strategically.

Us, for example, you have any match up with another big ten team in a “revenge” game. That’s ~6 teams each year. Plus every other team you play that season who makes the tournament. That’s another 3-4.

So just in regular season rematches you have ~10 revenge narratives.

Then you throw in every team who has a coach who used to coach here or a team that has a coach with drama connected to us and that’s another 3-5 teams.

Then you have transfers. Every play who transferred from UI and every player who transferred to UI and that’s a few more teams.

So every single team has 15-20 teams in the field of 68 with a narrative attached. And many of those teams will play multiple games in the tournament giving you multiple opportunities to pair those narratives up.

It would be more difficult to try to avoid narratives than match them up.
 
#66      

jmwillini

Tolono, IL
From Big10 generator in post 1. Not sure I want to see Minny again.

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#68      
Ohio State is also playing with new purpose since holtman was fired. I still think those aren't bad matchups. I can't imagine gophers shooting like this again...I think we can score 90 on them again though
It would basically be a home game for Minny, hopefully we would travel well to offset it.
 
#69      
It would basically be a home game for Minny, hopefully we would travel well to offset it.
Good point, forgot about that. Also little dangerous playing same team twice such a timeframe. I still think we got them.. Let's win on Saturday and keep our Wisconsin and Minnesota streaks alive!
 
#70      
You have the gist of it... I look at this most years but especially this year, as I am actually hoping Illinois will come to Spokane. (Sorry, not sorry, lol... though I would be ecstatic with a 3-seed instead for Illinois.) Spokane is the last choice for almost every team.

Creighton won't be able to play on their home court in Omaha. I was surprised but the University of Tennessee is closer to Charlotte than Memphis.

MatrixTeamConference#New York#Charlotte#Pittsburgh#Indianapolis#Memphis#Omaha#Salt Lake#Spokane
1PurdueBig Ten667854892364160340444767130881586
2UConnBig East111936502414474151066612237204382224
3HoustonBig 12714194927511393867148527966120081706
4ArizonaPac-12821216173971807514784121921039159331120
5North CarolinaACC3430111123174471562169837180282113
6TennesseeSEC5630118043762290335067457154681888
7MarquetteBig East6734566034471244455724297124081460
8KansasBig 127113158344817348823901162689181262
9Iowa StBig 127102058344716242035131131695081225
10AlabamaSEC6910240946523460119557227143681845
11DukeACC3420112123134474563069887180882116
12BaylorBig 12714344974611373838147926755103881543
13CreightonBig East71143691848352524353010583281145
14AuburnSEC6847232246213497131658317156281963
15San Diego StMountain West824316207972116517874156031308162821033
16IllinoisBig Ten6750552744361113235834117124281534
17WisconsinBig Ten6807570935171283455023597116681391
18KentuckySEC5590228132931149436866487147081781
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22Washington StPac-128216972035618945162341616311182490165
23Texas TechBig 12816045120271293496826821622374261266
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Very helpful - just know they don’t pick by pure mileage. The seeded teams send a preference list that then is utilized. So if location 2 is 100 miles away further but has a lot more alumni and better flights, they may pick a further location.
 
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Feels straightforwardish after last night

3 tough toss up games
2-1 - Should be locked into a 4 with potential to move up depending on what happens in front of us.
1-2 dabbling into the 5 line.

I do think a win vs Purdue is worth more given our lack of high profile wins but given the landscape not sure at this point it’ll matter.
 
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From Big10 generator in post 1. Not sure I want to see Minny again.

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Who would you like to see? When we start talking about not wanting to see a team in the 7/10 game, it speaks volumes of your thoughts about our team. A team that is capable of winning multiple games in the NCAA 's mows both of those teams down.
 
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Illinois has the KP makeup of a lot of teams that get upset in the first round. I expect they will be a popular pick to lose round 1. Especially with Underwood’s lack of NCAA Tournament success. Hoping that this team can prove people wrong.
Agree. If we play a team that thrives in a physical half court game and wants to slow down the pace and get the ball into the paint via entry pass or dribble drive....that's our kryptonite. Winning track meets generally can't be sustained.
 
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