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Alright, according to Torvik, since Jan 1, we rank #2 in adjO and #111 in adjD.

Looking only at data from Jan. 1 onward, since 2008 there have been 37 teams with a top 10 offense and sub 100 defense.

- Of those 37 teams, four advanced to the second weekend. One of those four, Miami last year, went to the Final Four.

- Six of those teams did not make the tournament.

- 10 of those teams underperformed relative to their seed.

- Seven of those teams overperformed relative to their seed.

- 14 of those teams met expectations relative to their seed.

The main takeaway for me is teams with our profile don't tend to get protected seeds. They are teams that need only to win 0 or 1 game in the tournament to have met or exceeded expectations.

However, even with that being the case, almost 70% of the teams who made the tournament met or exceeded expectations. So, theoretically, as long as we remain a top 4 seed, we should still expect to make it to the 2nd weekend.
 
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I have followed this site for years. FIrst time poster. What caused me to post is reading the negative posts about the team and Underwood. Let me remind those of you with the glass half empty how empty the glass was when Groce was here. The PSU game sucked obviously. Brutal loss but that loss likely didnt move us off the 4 line in the NCAA tourney. And im guessing those negative nancies turned right around on Saturday and thought we could be a final 4 team. Love the recruiting info and insider info. Much appreciated. That being said it can be difficult to understand who is being talked about. Who is KB?
 
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I have followed this site for years. FIrst time poster. What caused me to post is reading the negative posts about the team and Underwood. Let me remind those of you with the glass half empty how empty the glass was when Groce was here. The PSU game sucked obviously. Brutal loss but that loss likely didnt move us off the 4 line in the NCAA tourney. And im guessing those negative nancies turned right around on Saturday and thought we could be a final 4 team. Love the recruiting info and insider info. Much appreciated. That being said it can be difficult to understand who is being talked about. Who is KB?
Kylian Boswell
 
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Some massive opportunities coming up
Yep! As Robert alluded to, we do not have a "signature" win or whatever. Our resume is more "extremely competent" on paper:

Record: 20-7
NET Ranking: #17
Q1 Record: 4-5
Q2 Record: 5-2
Q3 Record: 6-0
Q4 Record: 5-0

A Q1/Q2 combined record of 9-7 is actually quite fine (#6 Alabama is 10-8 in such games, for example), and our unblemished record vs. the Q3/Q4 opponents is very good (there are 5 teams above us with at least one Q3 loss). However, it is in these next two weeks where we will decidedly prove what kind of seed we deserve. While Wednesday's game against #78 Minnesota is more about not messing up (as of now a Q3 result), we then have three massive opportunities after that. Consider the massive difference between these potential resumes entering the BTT...

SCENARIO A: Win out
Record: 24-7
NET Ranking: ?? Probably top 10
Q1 Record: 7-5
Q2 Record: 5-2
Q3 Record: 7-0
Q4 Record: 5-0

SCENARIO B: Beat Minnesota and go 1-2 in remaining Q1 games
Record:
22-9
NET Ranking: ?? Very likely closer to #20 or slightly lower
Q1 Record: 5-7
Q2 Record: 5-2
Q3 Record: 7-0
Q4 Record: 5-0

For reference, on Selection Sunday in 2021 when we got a #1 seed, we were 23-6, 12-5 in Q1 games and 5-1 vs. Q2 games. So that Scenario A resume is CERTAINLY knocking on the door of a #2 seed...
 
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Yep! As Robert alluded to, we do not have a "signature" win or whatever. Our resume is more "extremely competent" on paper:

Record: 20-7
NET Ranking: #17
Q1 Record: 4-5
Q2 Record: 5-2
Q3 Record: 6-0
Q4 Record: 5-0

A Q1/Q2 combined record of 9-7 is actually quite fine (#6 Alabama is 10-8 in such games, for example), and our unblemished record vs. the Q3/Q4 opponents is very good (there are 5 teams above us with at least one Q3 loss). However, it is in these next two weeks where we will decidedly prove what kind of seed we deserve. While Wednesday's game against #78 Minnesota is more about not messing up (as of now a Q3 result), we then have three massive opportunities after that. Consider the massive difference between these potential resumes entering the BTT...

SCENARIO A: Win out
Record: 24-7
NET Ranking: ?? Probably top 10
Q1 Record: 7-5
Q2 Record: 5-2
Q3 Record: 7-0
Q4 Record: 5-0

SCENARIO B: Beat Minnesota and go 1-2 in remaining Q1 games
Record:
22-9
NET Ranking: ?? Very likely closer to #20 or slightly lower
Q1 Record: 5-7
Q2 Record: 5-2
Q3 Record: 7-0
Q4 Record: 5-0

For reference, on Selection Sunday in 2021 when we got a #1 seed, we were 23-6, 12-5 in Q1 games and 5-1 vs. Q2 games. So that Scenario A resume is CERTAINLY knocking on the door of a #2 seed...
Yes 4-0 to close and we are a locked 3 with a chance at a 2. 3-1 and I think locked 4 with a decent chance at a 3. Anything else, and probably a 5 or 6. Time for this team to make a push and grab a really good seed
 
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Oddly enough we are 6th among top 10 offenses on the defensive end, only a spot behind 5th. Wondering how well these adjusted statistics factor things like this in. Same applies to defenses as well, commit to either end and the other suffers. I'm not convinced that there are that many better defenses than a lot of this list.

I'm in the boat that we can turn it on when push comes to shove, we have too much length and athleticism not too.
 

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I have followed this site for years. FIrst time poster. What caused me to post is reading the negative posts about the team and Underwood. Let me remind those of you with the glass half empty how empty the glass was when Groce was here. The PSU game sucked obviously. Brutal loss but that loss likely didnt move us off the 4 line in the NCAA tourney. And im guessing those negative nancies turned right around on Saturday and thought we could be a final 4 team. Love the recruiting info and insider info. Much appreciated. That being said it can be difficult to understand who is being talked about. Who is KB?
I've been a fan for many years. I remember when undefeated Indiana came to the Hall back in the day! You wanna talk about decibals! I was so numb during the Grocie era that I stopped following the team for a while and I am an addict. It was embarrassing! Especially since we had climbed our way up the pinnacle with great teams climaxing at the final4 in 2005. Under Grocie's era, Illinois basketball was a by word at best. Nothing personal against John. He was a great guy. He just didn't get the job done.
 
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For the other college bball junkies out there(not just the Illini junkies), have you ever seen a bubble as strong as we have seen this year? In many years, the bubble is not that strong but this year feels different. It may be related to the number of unranked teams beating ranked teams and the number of top tier teams losing on the road this season but the parity is as good as I can remember it being. The transfer portal has a lot to do with it. I was looking at the last 4 in first 8 out and literally all these teams can make a strong case for their inclusion in the NCAA tournament and would probably be able to win at least one game: Wake Forest, Gonzaga, Ole Miss, Utah, Seton Hall, Providence, Texas A&M, Cincy, Colorado, Drake, etc.. These are all teams that have had good wins at some point during the season. I think the committee is going to have a very tough task on their hands
 
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danielb927

Orange Krush Class of 2013
Rochester, MN
Oddly enough we are 6th among top 10 offenses on the defensive end, only a spot behind 5th. Wondering how well these adjusted statistics factor things like this in. Same applies to defenses as well, commit to either end and the other suffers. I'm not convinced that there are that many better defenses than a lot of this list.

I'm in the boat that we can turn it on when push comes to shove, we have too much length and athleticism not too.

Pretty wild that there are zero teams with both a top-10 offense and a top-10 defense this year, and only 3/10 with a top-25 D.

That said, last year (at least post-tourney) was even more extreme. UConn had top-10 both (3rd O, 7th D), but the next best D for a top-10 offense was Arizona at 39th - and the top 10 offense list featured four teams outside the top 100, including Toledo with the 295th (!) defense in the nation.
 
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Reallllly want that 3 seed. A 4 seed could get us matched up with an underseeded 5 seed (like Houston a couple years ago). A 3 seed should at least have us as the favorite in the first two rounds. Probably have to finish 3-1 and get a win in the BTT to get that 3 seed, which won’t be easy.
 
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Illinois projecting on T-Rank to finish 2-2 in their last 4 and ending up with the last 3 seed (2-2 would pick up a Q2 win and a Q1 win with 2 Q1 losses). In that case, they'd be looking at a matchup in the 1st round with an unimpressive 14 seed, then one of the following 6 seeds: Florida, Mississippi State, Washington State, Texas Tech.

Compare that to ending up as a 4 seed, and getting a matchup against a slightly scarier 13 seed (the scariest mid majors like McNeese State and James Madison are projecting as 12 seeds), and then a matchup against one of the following 5 seeds: St. Mary's, San Diego State, Wisconsin, Clemson

I feel like the worst case scenario would be to get matched across St. Mary's in some West pod (say, Spokane), while best case would be a Pittsburth pod against Mississippi State or Washington State.
 
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These were the odds of a given seed to advance to the following rounds, pre-2023 NCAA Tournament:

#1% Seed
85.1% Sweet Sixteen
68.2% Elite Eight
40.5% Final Four

#2 Seed
62.8% Sweet Sixteen
45.3% Elite Eight
21.6% Final Four

#3 Seed
52.0% Sweet Sixteen
25.0% Elite Eight
11.5% Final Four

#4 Seed
47.3% Sweet Sixteen
14.9% Elite Eight
8.8% Final Four

#5 Seed
33.8% Sweet Sixteen
6.8% Elite Eight
4.7% Final Four

#6 Seed
29.1% Sweet Sixteen
10.1% Elite Eight
2.0% Final Four

#7 Seed
18.9% Sweet Sixteen
6.8% Elite Eight
2.0% Final Four

Two things jump out at me why I desperately want to be in the bottom half of the bracket for once:

1. While it looks like a #4 seed is more likely to make a Sweet Sixteen than a #5 seed by a decent margin, a #4 seed wins its First Round game 78% of the time whereas a #5 seed wins it 66% of the time ... so you are just running a higher risk of not even getting the chance to play for a Sweet Sixteen if you are a #5 seed. I still feel like an actual 4/5 game in the Second Round is more or less a tossup.

2. If you will notice, once you break through to the Sweet Sixteen, #7 seed actually has just as much of a chance to advance to the Elite Eight as a #5 seed, and the #6 seed is significantly more likely to! Again, I am surprised by how the #4 seed record is that much better than the #5, but either way ... especially in a year like this, I think most can agree it's preferable not to run into the buzz saw of a #1 seed in the Sweet Sixteen when you are playing well. Give our 2004 or 2002 teams a #3 seed, and we might have at least one more Final Four today...
 
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So if Purdue loses to Michigan State and us - both games on the road for Purdue. And we win the other games - we share the title and are the 1 seed in the B1G tourney. It ain't over.
 
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IlliniMike_Aurora

Straight outta Champaign
These were the odds of a given seed to advance to the following rounds, pre-2023 NCAA Tournament:

#1% Seed
85.1% Sweet Sixteen
68.2% Elite Eight
40.5% Final Four

#2 Seed
62.8% Sweet Sixteen
45.3% Elite Eight
21.6% Final Four

#3 Seed
52.0% Sweet Sixteen
25.0% Elite Eight
11.5% Final Four

#4 Seed
47.3% Sweet Sixteen
14.9% Elite Eight
8.8% Final Four

#5 Seed
33.8% Sweet Sixteen
6.8% Elite Eight
4.7% Final Four

#6 Seed
29.1% Sweet Sixteen
10.1% Elite Eight
2.0% Final Four

#7 Seed
18.9% Sweet Sixteen
6.8% Elite Eight
2.0% Final Four

Two things jump out at me why I desperately want to be in the bottom half of the bracket for once:

1. While it looks like a #4 seed is more likely to make a Sweet Sixteen than a #5 seed by a decent margin, a #4 seed wins its First Round game 78% of the time whereas a #5 seed wins it 66% of the time ... so you are just running a higher risk of not even getting the chance to play for a Sweet Sixteen if you are a #5 seed. I still feel like an actual 4/5 game in the Second Round is more or less a tossup.

2. If you will notice, once you break through to the Sweet Sixteen, #7 seed actually has just as much of a chance to advance to the Elite Eight as a #5 seed, and the #6 seed is significantly more likely to! Again, I am surprised by how the #4 seed record is that much better than the #5, but either way ... especially in a year like this, I think most can agree it's preferable not to run into the buzz saw of a #1 seed in the Sweet Sixteen when you are playing well. Give our 2004 or 2002 teams a #3 seed, and we might have at least one more Final Four today...
its only Monday, you're already done with work?
 
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So if Purdue loses to Michigan State and us - both games on the road for Purdue. And we win the other games - we share the title and are the 1 seed in the B1G tourney. It ain't over.

MSU has a shot..they have 4 guys that can guard Edey. That's 20 total fouls available.

Then would need Walker to get at least 20 and Hall to win his matchups. It's doable for sure.
 
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IlliniMike_Aurora

Straight outta Champaign
These were the odds of a given seed to advance to the following rounds, pre-2023 NCAA Tournament:

#1% Seed
85.1% Sweet Sixteen
68.2% Elite Eight
40.5% Final Four

#2 Seed
62.8% Sweet Sixteen
45.3% Elite Eight
21.6% Final Four

#3 Seed
52.0% Sweet Sixteen
25.0% Elite Eight
11.5% Final Four

#4 Seed
47.3% Sweet Sixteen
14.9% Elite Eight
8.8% Final Four

#5 Seed
33.8% Sweet Sixteen
6.8% Elite Eight
4.7% Final Four

#6 Seed
29.1% Sweet Sixteen
10.1% Elite Eight
2.0% Final Four

#7 Seed
18.9% Sweet Sixteen
6.8% Elite Eight
2.0% Final Four

Two things jump out at me why I desperately want to be in the bottom half of the bracket for once:

1. While it looks like a #4 seed is more likely to make a Sweet Sixteen than a #5 seed by a decent margin, a #4 seed wins its First Round game 78% of the time whereas a #5 seed wins it 66% of the time ... so you are just running a higher risk of not even getting the chance to play for a Sweet Sixteen if you are a #5 seed. I still feel like an actual 4/5 game in the Second Round is more or less a tossup.

2. If you will notice, once you break through to the Sweet Sixteen, #7 seed actually has just as much of a chance to advance to the Elite Eight as a #5 seed, and the #6 seed is significantly more likely to! Again, I am surprised by how the #4 seed record is that much better than the #5, but either way ... especially in a year like this, I think most can agree it's preferable not to run into the buzz saw of a #1 seed in the Sweet Sixteen when you are playing well. Give our 2004 or 2002 teams a #3 seed, and we might have at least one more Final Four today...
agree with pt. 2 - and your #7 seed psychology,

the glaring stat to me is this one;
#2 Seed
62.8% Sweet Sixteen

Can you imagine being a #2 seed for 5 years in a row and only making the Sweet 16 - 3 times...

- or saying it another way , dealing with the likes of Sister Jean twice every 5 years.
 
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My guess is 2-2 means a four seed entering the conference tournament season. 1-3 a five seed. 3-1 (especially with a Purdue or Wisconsin win) a three seed.
Agree we need to go 3-1 to move up a seed mostly because I'm not loving our NET ranking of 17 as that leans towards 4/5 seed
 
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