Take the Over and you won't care so much about our defense!
Idk about that as I love my Illini and honestly would rather lose the money
Take the Over and you won't care so much about our defense!
Bro Dan...
Note two weeks ago after the zPenn State vs Illini debacle, the sport scribes had the Illini on a downward spiral, near death on a trail of doom. No defense, turnovers in crunch time, etc. Now after two big wins ... the Illini are a Big Dance darkhorse. I cant trust the sports media any more.
Regarding coach BU, he gave a few clues lately on how he coaches now. 1. Top 25 bball ratings are based on scoring offence. 2. Coach BU will run up the score to get favorable top 25 ratings and ... most likely a higher seed in the Big Dance.
Just my take. Whay say you?
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We do run teams off the 3 point line. We're 5th in the country in 3PA/FGA allowed at 27.5%.According to Torvik, Brad’s defense that is designed to run teams off the 3 point line now ranks 182nd in 3pt%D.
Scheme is a problem but Brad seems too stubborn to change.
Yeah and as far as 3 point percentage allowed, one less percentage point moves you up like 100+ spots. So its a very touchy statistic.
Of course winning trumps everything elseIdk about that as I love my Illini and honestly would rather lose the money
What are you talking about? Hamer was right next to Joey Biggs as he has all season. From scores table down it goes Biggs, Hammer, TU, BU, whichever of the 3 have the scout, then a couple open for first guys off the bench, the 2 that don't have the scout and Fletch.Has anyone mentioned that Chester is now sitting beside BU on the bench instead of Hamer. It looked like Hamer was relegated to a row back. Not sure if it means much, if anything, but I'm going to take it as a good thing.
Or maybe go under a screen way out there and risk a 35 foot shot attempt rather than being forced into a trailing position into the paint?I want to see something that, even if it gives up some open looks, does so in a manner that forces the opponent out of rhythm offensively. I get we don't force turnovers but jeez make some guys catch the ball in spots that aren't so familiar to them.
A great example I saw last night: With our ball screen drop so deep, we force Elijah Hawkins to keep the ball and get into the paint before either trying to hit a floater or dishing to the roll guy near the basket (this area will be congested but Payne caught a lot of tough passes like this - kudos to him). I want to see us, just a few times, hedge or trap Elijah and leave the roll guy wide open to catch the ball, on the move, 16 feet from the basket. ESPECIALLY if the roll guy is Parker Fox or some other player who rarely creates points that far from the hoop. The below play ends in a lob dunk for Payne because we allow the point guard to make the final decision. If we stop the ball at the SF logo, it goes to Payne in the circle and then it's on him to drive, shoot, kick, etc. It's maddening because we are getting torched again and again; and like 30 minutes before this I watched NU hold Maryland to 20 total field goals doing exactly this. And I watched Nebraska destroy Minnesota this weekend doing exactly this. And I watched Nebraska destroy Penn State two weeks ago doing exactly this.
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Fair point!We do run teams off the 3 point line. We're 5th in the country in 3PA/FGA allowed at 27.5%.
EDIT: illiniballknower beat me to it.
Our O is special.
Our D is head scratching.
As long as we can outscore everyone we play, all is good.
I dunno. We just played two really good offensive teams in Iowa and Minn. They also want track meets so it’s now shock to me that those two games turned out the way they did. Saturday, we will need better defense.This has been discussed ad nauseam for the past two weeks. He's a problem, but he's also trusted, which is a bigger problem. Did Minnesota make some tough shots last night? Yes. But does that mean our defense is good enough to get us into a deep run in March? I doubt it. "Minnesota made tough shots; Iowa made tough shots..." are just excuses for poor defense. Our defense sucks. Our offense is elite. Let's hope we play some similar teams, get to witness some exciting barn burners in the dance, and pray that we go down as the most elite offense in NCAA tournament history with a defense we forget all about.
I'm in complete agreement. The stats clearly show a much different story about Minnesota's 3pt shooting and our 3pt defense than many members on here think. But I've seen this type of argument before in other sports. Like some hockey types adamant there's no such thing as puck luck, or that multiple bloop broken bat singles in an inning isn't good fortune it's bad pitching, or that all fumbles go to the team that wants it more.For evidence of this.
Earlier this year Minnesota played UTSA. Minnesota scored 102 points. It’s the most points they’ve scored all year. UTSA has one of the worst defenses in all of college basketball ranked 345 KenPom (out of 362 teams).
In that game, Minnesota shot 48% from 3 (14-29).
Had Minnesota shot 48% from 3 against us, we would have won this game by 24.
Minnesota’s next game could be against Holy Cross, the worst defense in all of college basketball, and they wouldn’t shoot 74% from 3.
That was the best offensive performance by Minnesota in the KenPom era. Are we the worst defense Minnesota has played in 25 years?
No, that was an insane heater that Minnesota likely won’t replicate for the next 20 years, even against sub 300 level defenses.
And WE WON. Wild.
Watching the BU & Coleman Pressers and all I can think about is, What's in the bag?
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Which coach is the best at creating the scout for other teams and getting us prepared for their stuff?What are you talking about? Hamer was right next to Joey Biggs as he has all season. From scores table down it goes Biggs, Hammer, TU, BU, whichever of the 3 have the scout, then a couple open for first guys off the bench, the 2 that don't have the scout and Fletch.
TA was next to Brad last night since it was his scout.
What are you talking about? Hamer was right next to Joey Biggs as he has all season. From scores table down it goes Biggs, Hammer, me, dad, whichever of the 3 have the scout, then a couple open for first guys off the bench, the 2 that don't have the scout and Fletch.
TA was next to Brad last night since it was his scout.
I was about to ask the same thing. What is the W-L for the team broken down by who scouted the opponent?Which coach is the best at creating the scout for other teams and getting us prepared for their stuff?
I don't post often, but read here a lot. This is exactly what I was thinking when watching the game. Hawkins (especially) drops way too far. Fundamental defense would have him much higher and (at a minimum) "showing" to the pg to slow him up and give his teammate time to recover. In this pic, Hawkins is guarding nobody.I want to see something that, even if it gives up some open looks, does so in a manner that forces the opponent out of rhythm offensively. I get we don't force turnovers but jeez make some guys catch the ball in spots that aren't so familiar to them.
A great example I saw last night: With our ball screen drop so deep, we force Elijah Hawkins to keep the ball and get into the paint before either trying to hit a floater or dishing to the roll guy near the basket (this area will be congested but Payne caught a lot of tough passes like this - kudos to him). I want to see us, just a few times, hedge or trap Elijah and leave the roll guy wide open to catch the ball, on the move, 16 feet from the basket. ESPECIALLY if the roll guy is Parker Fox or some other player who rarely creates points that far from the hoop. The below play ends in a lob dunk for Payne because we allow the point guard to make the final decision. If we stop the ball at the SF logo, it goes to Payne in the circle and then it's on him to drive, shoot, kick, etc. It's maddening because we are getting torched again and again; and like 30 minutes before this I watched NU hold Maryland to 20 total field goals doing exactly this. And I watched Nebraska destroy Minnesota this weekend doing exactly this. And I watched Nebraska destroy Penn State two weeks ago doing exactly this.
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Thanks Pru! Sometimes life gets in the way!Hey Doc , nice to see a post from you again.....keep posting brother.......
I just only read posts by @illini0440 because I figure having an assistant coach posting is probably the purest information source.I noticed that I've just automatically started to not even read posts that complain about our offense.
When I hit the first sentence that contains complaints about it, I noticed my fingers immediately swipe upward on my phone. It's so weird.
Which coach is the best at creating the scout for other teams and getting us prepared for their stuff?
They all have their strengths. But this staff as a whole is probably the best I’ve seen at Illinois regarding not having much of a drop off depending on who has the scout. Geoff obviously has an offensive back ground and he’s more inclined to figure out how to score against the defense and what actions should work and Chester obviously has more of a defensive back ground and is more inclined to focus on defensive intricacies for the opponents offense.I was about to ask the same thing. What is the W-L for the team broken down by who scouted the opponent?
Or maybe not W-L. Perhaps better would be performance against Torvik/KenPom/etc. expectations.
I think Raphael meant that TSJ should demand to guard their hottest player while their hottest player is in the process of going on a bender if he believes highly in his defensive capabilities. Not saying that should be the case. You're right. Underwood needs to recognize that and make adjustments in-game and not just after the half. Raphael speaking more as a former player I think. Maybe that's what he used to do as a player? I don't know. I didn't watch enough Purdue games to know.Why does TSJ have to ask Underwood to take over guarding Christie? Why didn't Underwood make that move after watching Christie killing us with Domask trying to guard him?
Honestly Raphael has a double standard for TSJ and Ace Baldwin. He always says TSJ should ask to shut down whoever is scoring but was proud Ace held Perkins to 10 points the other night even though PSU gave up 90 and Sandfort had a triple double.I think Raphael meant that TSJ should demand to guard their hottest player while their hottest player is in the process of going on a bender if he believes highly in his defensive capabilities. Not saying that should be the case. You're right. Underwood needs to recognize that and make adjustments in-game and not just after the half. Raphael speaking more as a former player I think. Maybe that's what he used to do as a player? I don't know. I didn't watch enough Purdue games to know.
TL;DR 7th/8th
Loosely the way the ranking works is it subtracts the AdjD from AdjO and ranks teams based on the difference.
50th is about 100 AdjD, so we'd gain ~2 pts overall for +25.32, which would put us 7th/8th between Duke & Alabama
There's more complexity to his math, but that's a decent ballpark.
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