Illinois Football Recruiting Thread

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BZuppke
I think this whole thing is spiraling out of control. I love college football - it’s my number one sport - but unregulated money, throwing tradition out the window for a playoff that’s all about money (crowning a ‘true champion on the field’ is an after thought) is destroying things. NFL lite is where we’re at and greed is to blame.
 
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SescIllini
BZuppke said:
I think this whole thing is spiraling out of control. I love college football - it’s my number one sport - but unregulated money, throwing tradition out the window for a playoff that’s all about money (crowning a ‘true champion on the field’ is an after thought) is destroying things. NFL lite is where we’re at and greed is to blame.
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You are talking about your feelings, you can control this by turning away from college foitball.

But people's feelings shouldn't impact football players collecting on what they produce at a great risk to their health. Football is a making a ton of money. instead of schools, NCAA, coaches, corporations keeping all the money they are now rightfully paying the players perceived market value.
 
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Dkayak
SescIllini said:
You are talking about your feelings, you can control this by turning away from college foitball.

But people's feelings shouldn't impact football players collecting on what they produce at a great risk to their health. Football is a making a ton of money. instead of schools, NCAA, coaches, corporations keeping all the money they are now rightfully paying the players perceived market value.
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That’s where many of us are headed. It’s not nearly as interesting to be a fan when the outcome is determined by who can Hoover up more alumni money.

Big alumni donors are what’s funding $2m QB’s, not the growing and shared revenue from the game itself. NIL might as well be a check directly from the donor, payable to the player. This isn’t something ever seen in NFL, where salary caps level the playing field and players attract true endorsement or advertising income on the side.

NIL didn’t remain Name-Image-Likeness for long before becoming a back door for the big money that’s destroying the competitive landscape. Salary caps might patch things up for a time, but eventually it’s likely NFL Lite. Many of us are gone at that point, but I’m sure the emerging pro league is factoring our departure into their business plan.
 
#59      
SescIllini
Dkayak said:
That’s where many of us are headed. It’s not nearly as interesting to be a fan when the outcome is determined by who can Hoover up more alumni money.

Big alumni donors are what’s funding $2m QB’s, not the growing and shared revenue from the game itself. NIL might as well be a check directly from the donor, payable to the player. This isn’t something ever seen in NFL, where salary caps level the playing field and players attract true endorsement or advertising income on the side.

NIL didn’t remain Name-Image-Likeness for long before becoming a back door for the big money that’s destroying the competitive landscape. Salary caps might patch things up for a time, but eventually it’s likely NFL Lite. Many of us are gone at that point, but I’m sure the emerging pro league is factoring our departure into their business plan.
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Believe or not, the new NIL and transfer rules has evened the playing field. Illinois has relied on QB transfers the last 7+ years.

NCAA created a system where the blue blood programs were protected because they brought in corporate sponsors that fed NCAA coffers.

Once again, players not getting paid was a farce. Jonnie Football increased TAMU's alumni donations by $300 million during his tenure there. He received token under the table money, but should have received $10 million+/ year for what he did for the school.

That being said I agree with reforms such as revenue sharing, 2 year contracts, etc.. .

I also not in favor of 12 team playoff. 4 team playoff is fine to crown champion, 8 team definitely enough.
 
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Illini in Italy
Mr. Tibbs said:
is the NCAA pro-active about anything anymore ?
or is their whole MO to just govern reactively and let the courts set the agenda ?
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Why would they try to be proactive at this point, knowing that any action they take will result in a lawsuit? The safe route is to continue on the present path knowing that lawsuits are going to result for known policies, rather than inventing new paths to legal hell and piling them onto the present lawsuit candidate policies.
 
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Illini in Italy
Dkayak said:
That’s where many of us are headed. It’s not nearly as interesting to be a fan when the outcome is determined by who can Hoover up more alumni money.

Big alumni donors are what’s funding $2m QB’s, not the growing and shared revenue from the game itself. NIL might as well be a check directly from the donor, payable to the player. This isn’t something ever seen in NFL, where salary caps level the playing field and players attract true endorsement or advertising income on the side.

NIL didn’t remain Name-Image-Likeness for long before becoming a back door for the big money that’s destroying the competitive landscape. Salary caps might patch things up for a time, but eventually it’s likely NFL Lite. Many of us are gone at that point, but I’m sure the emerging pro league is factoring our departure into their business plan.
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100% agree. And the emerging pro league has to factor in that their product is not a good product when compared to the NFL, and will likely be much worse that the CFL or any of the other minor league football leagues. The same can be said about college basketball for that matter. And once that break comes and the universities are not really affiliated with their "minor league teams", we will put the final shovel full of dirt on college sports' graves.

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#63      
Dbell1981
SescIllini said:
Believe or not, the new NIL and transfer rules has evened the playing field. Illinois has relied on QB transfers the last 7+ years.

NCAA created a system where the blue blood programs were protected because they brought in corporate sponsors that fed NCAA coffers.

Once again, players not getting paid was a farce. Jonnie Football increased TAMU's alumni donations by $300 million during his tenure there. He received token under the table money, but should have received $10 million+/ year for what he did for the school.

That being said I agree with reforms such as revenue sharing, 2 year contracts, etc.. .

I also not in favor of 12 team playoff. 4 team playoff is fine to crown champion, 8 team definitely enough.
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The point is the money is what has ruined it. It has ruined all 3 major sports. All most Athletes care about anymore is the big payday. All while people shovel out buckets of money to go watch them play. I know it won't happen but I would just love it if everyone just quit showing up and supporting these over paid sports figures. Look at football, you can't even hit the QB because he is "too valuable"! Tell that to Dan Fouts
 
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mhuml32
Oracle21 said:
But with NIL, it’s still rogue donors deciding to pay a player 4 million. These are essentially fans paying players. Where is the return? That’s why I think the numbers quoted are mostly BS.
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Again, return on investment isn’t really a thing in sports. There are not shareholders. Owners getting billions in stadium subsidies with no actual evidence on community impact. You call them “rogue donors” but every school has them and they’ve been around since the advent of the NCAA. You can question the ceiling but it’s an economy that’s been proven for a century. It’s not going to stop, it just seems startling to some because (a) it’s now happening in the public and (b) the free market has made it a more acceptable practice, therefore increasing the amount of rogue donors in the system.
 
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SummerofGeorge
BZuppke said:
I think this whole thing is spiraling out of control. I love college football - it’s my number one sport - but unregulated money, throwing tradition out the window for a playoff that’s all about money (crowning a ‘true champion on the field’ is an after thought) is destroying things. NFL lite is where we’re at and greed is to blame.
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Money is the root of all evil. One could argue that the NFL is far more structured and regulated in their business. The NCAA is the NFL without any structure, boundaries, or oversight. Honestly I’m having a harder time maintaining enthusiasm for college sports in general as a result.
 
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TheChief4Life
Money has been the driving aspect of collegiate sports for more than 4 decades. If people can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you.

The biggest differences between todays money and 5 years ago is that it’s not as under the table and more players have a hell of a lot more say in their slice of the pie.

Good for them. Every one of you would do the same if you had the ability, too.
 
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kyillinifan
Will the Univ release the amount of money given to each player. Does the public have a right to know what a second string linebacker is being paid through the NIL program. Will they give a list or does that remain private. It might have been already made public. So some rich donor can go to a university a billion dollars and say get the highest 5 star and sign them up. You will see a college football player making more money then a rookie in the NFL.
 
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BretMyBeachHouse
Simeon Rice said:
So, you would've passed on a young Ole Miss QB named Luke Altmyer?
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If it was for him to come in start, yes. Part of the reason last year we took a dip was that Luke wasn't ready. Thrilled to have him but when we see a major gap like that in the future we need to do better.
 
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fuddrules
SummerofGeorge said:
Money is the root of all evil. One could argue that the NFL is far more structured and regulated in their business. The NCAA is the NFL without any structure, boundaries, or oversight. Honestly I’m having a harder time maintaining enthusiasm for college sports in general as a result.
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While college athletics has changed, can you explain what's truly "evil" about college athletics?
 
#74      
TX Illiniwek
BretMyBeachHouse said:
If it was for him to come in start, yes. Part of the reason last year we took a dip was that Luke wasn't ready. Thrilled to have him but when we see a major gap like that in the future we need to do better.
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When the staff went after Luke, I don't think we had any other QBs like Dillon Gabriel, Will Howard, etc., clamoring to come in here that could have made a significant difference right off the bat. Illinois is not a "destination" for a QB like that.....at least we weren't at that time. BB and BL saw the potential and I think giving him last year to develop has paid off this year, and definitely will next year, too. It was a sacrifice. And, just like high school recruiting, if we put together a few solid years of 8-5, 9-4, maybe even throw in a 10-3 like we have the opportunity for this year and, dare I even say, an 11-2 year....just have sustained success...we will get those guys that are ready on day 1 and Illinois will become a place that the higher ranked players want to come to. I believe we are on our way to being that.
 
#75      
NashvILLe05
SummerofGeorge said:
Money is the root of all evil. One could argue that the NFL is far more structured and regulated in their business. The NCAA is the NFL without any structure, boundaries, or oversight. Honestly I’m having a harder time maintaining enthusiasm for college sports in general as a result.
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I understand where you’re coming from. Getting paid what you’re worth is what every person should do whether athlete or fan posting on this message board.

Things will settle and improve over the next few years. Don’t let it sap your joy for the game. Illinois will come out ahead!!
 
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