Miller hurts because he left to "be the man", but he's a 5th year senior with basically the same utilization he had as a Freshman, so like what was the point. Would be a really nice guy to have had around all these years. Think these guys that play for 3 or even 4 schools will probably have a bit of regret in 10 years when their basketball careers are over and they don't have that one school they can really be forever associated with and "at home" amongst as an Alum so to speak.
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In the 18-team Big Ten? (where it'll be significantly harder for anyone to be all conference unless they add a 4th team all-conference) I suppose anything's possible, but he's averaging like 7 points and barely any assists as a Junior so he'd have to make a pretty monumental leap.
I wouldn’t erase either of the first 2. Transfer option worked exactly as it should. He wasn’t getting minutes here, didn’t like the plan laid out for him, and went to a smaller conference and got to be the man. He parlayed all that into an NBA job. Very happy for him. He wouldn’t have gotten those minutes/opportunity with Illini.
On CoHawk, I feel the same way about it as seemingly he and Brad did. Relationship had run its course and time to move on. I like where we are at now and frankly, other than him being an Illini, he wasn’t always the easiest to cheer for. He got paid and good for him.
Adam Miller is the transfer I’d erase, and not because of any impact on Illinois but rather on him. If reports on here were correct, he got some bad advice from his family/camp about his path to the NBA being running the show with ball in his hands. Never mind that to most of us it seemed apparent that the more likely route was 3 and D guy. After a lot of wasted time, third school and unfortunately an injury, and it is his shooting (up to 48% from three after 3 of 4 last night) that presents his only real chance of an NBA career.
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Got to talk to Coleman at TCU this past weekend and he is a genuinely nice guy. Heard some I-L-L chants during the game!
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Alan Griffin could have been big that following year
Alan Griffin should probably be #1. He would have been a huge piece for that 2021 team that already was a one seed.
Coleman is probably 2 because he could be a major piece on this years team but who knows how the money plays out.
Podz is 3 because he could have easily been the pg 2 years ago over Clark and Epps but I still don't think that team does much in March with him.
Podz. Not even close.
Griffin averaged 13 pts, 6 rebs, and 2 assists while shooting 36% from 3 and nearly 90% from the free throw line at Syracuse. He was also a 6'5 wing and that 2020-21 team could have really used some more size on the wing(also good chance he shoots an even better clip from 3 playing with Ayo and Kofi).
Frazier, Ayo, Griffin, Grandison, and Kofi with freshman year Curbelo, Miller, Williams, and Giorgi coming off the bench is a national championship roster though that Baylor team was very very good
Griffin did get in the dog house late in the year with Boeheim so maybe the same thing happens here but he was tailor-made to be a role player on that team.
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I shot from the hip on his stats. Apologies. Shouldn't have used the word "much".
However, IMO, his vibe was negative.
True but Grandison essentially replaced his role, and that season he shot 41.5% from 3, 96% (!) from the line, and had an eFG% of .616 to Griffin's .523 at Syracuse (lower usage, some of those minutes probably also went to Miller who shot 34% from 3). I'm not sure how the rotation would have worked out, but I doubt we could have played both 15-20 min per game. Plus Grandison was ok with his role, and Griffin probably would not have been. I think it worked out for the best.
Eh, disagree 100%. Dude had passion and heart (even if he wore it on his sleeve to his detriment sometimes). Will always pick a player like that 10 times out of 10 and love cheering for him versus a player who doesn't care as much. Added bonus that he got under opposing fanbases' skin like no other player we've had since Lucas Johnson.
Dude came in the class with Curbelo, Miller, and was the only one to stay with us all 4 years (and he was the lowest rated out of the bunch and ended up developing into the best player). Will always appreciate and root for the guy (and btw I feel like we'd be undisputed #1 in the country and natty favorites if we had him at the 4 this year as his natural position with a legit 5 like Ivisic next to him).
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I don’t deny he was a very good player and Illini wouldn’t have had the season they had last year without him. But not sure why I or anybody else would “erase” the transfer. Brad and him both said the relationship had run its course (or something similar). They were ready to move on. CoHawk got himself a nice and deserved payday. Worked out well for him.
Not sure what class or who was in it with him matters to the discussion. I have no issue with you always rooting for him, and I hope he does well. And as I said, I appreciate what he did for the team. I’m sure Brad does too and that CoHawk appreciates his time at Illinois. But both were ready to move on and have. And no way of telling how similar this team would be to its current makeup if CoHawk had said right away he was coming back. Would Brad had built it the same and got the same players? No one can say that with certainty. And, eh, I’m very much enjoying this team’s version.
Grandison basically played small ball 4. Griffin would have played minutes at the 2/3.
Grandison would have eaten into Damonte Williams and Adam Miller who each played 25 minutes per game and probably Curbelo who played 21. But he also would have also made it so we didn't need to ride Ayo or Frazier so hard who averaged 35 and 34 minutes respectively.
That team basically had no depth on the wing behind Ayo and Damonte Williams played hard and actually shot well on low volume that year but was miscast in his role.
It matters to the discussion because you said he wasn't the easiest to root for in your opinion. It's easy to infer you were referring to his attitude/complaining/leadership, etc.
The fact that he was the most unheralded of his recruiting class (sans Lieb) and worked his butt off to become a great 4 year player here and showed much more loyalty to Illinois than the other guys that came here with him means that I never had an issue rooting for him, warts and all. One of my favorite memories of him (as weird as it sounds) is after we lost to Arkansas and he said openly to the media how we had lost the culture that Trent, DMFW, Ayo and Kofi had built and how that was partly a failure on his end. Then he came back and helped lead us to our best season since '05. That's an EDG to me and always an ILLINI.
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I agree his contributions should be applauded and I appreciate what he accomplished here and what he helped the team do, especially last year. Never said they shouldn’t be and in fact wrote that in last post. But the question posed was what transfer would you reverse and not sure why anyone would want to take his big payday away from him.
I just don’t pine for guys who transfer. I hope they do well and it works out for them. Wish them nothing but the best. But for whatever reason(s), they’ve chosen to move on so next man up. I don’t pine for Ty like many seem to. He made his choice and is doing what he thinks is best for him. If he stays next year, great. I like what he can bring to the team. If not, best of luck.
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I hope the individuals do well and they make $ and the decisions to benefit themselves (but don't pine for any that choose to transfer...)
Goode, Hawkins, Harris, Hansberry, Dain, Nikko, and many before them and some yet to transfer...
IMO if underwood thought any of them would help make the team better, they would still be on the team. I do not see any of players playing a significant role with this version of Illinois basketball.
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