Illini Basketball 2024-2025

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Are we an unathletic team?

We have almost no one outside of DGL that can break his man off the dribble. KJ is craffy but not quick, Boswell is kinda a ploder for a PG - that's why he settles for heroic 3pters cause his so limited. We have no one on the team that can throw down high flying dunks, put backs and alley-oops.

Up and down the roster we have very few elite athletes.
Tre White is pretty good to elite. Morez too. Dre for sure. Booth looks like he has elite athleticism but is lost. I think he’s a little better shooting Omar Payne.

I actually think we have a pretty good mix of athleticism and shooting, at least on paper. Issue is the shooters aren’t shooting.
 
#427      
I apologize if this has already been posted, but I saw a clip of Brad post-game a couple weeks ago when he said to the team, “Give me a reason to play you.” If DGL hasn’t given him a reason than I really question what the he🏒 🏒 Coach is talking about. And we have a couple guys who have given him a reason NOT to play them, so let’s effing go, Coach. Supposedly, we don’t promise starting jobs or specific minutes to anyone (see, both Fears), so start playing those who have earned the PT.
 
#428      
Is there any chance when Tomi comes back that he just starts in Ben's place and we leave Morez as a starter too?
If that's the case, it would be better to keep Tomi at the 5 and have Morez as the power forward like what they've been doing whenever we see the two of them on the court together.
 
#429      
If that's the case, it would be better to keep Tomi at the 5 and have Morez as the power forward like what they've been doing whenever we see the two of them on the court together.
Well sure, that's a technicality. They will match up with whoever the staff thinks is the best fit on D, and Tomi will continue to be a pick and pop and high post distributor guy.
 
#430      
Y'all, I get the frustration. I really do, especially re: DGL and his substitution patterns. But some of these sky-is-falling takes are just classic overreaction. This team has warts, yes. It's over-reliant on 3s, yes. But we've also had multiple games where we looked like absolute world beaters (and several games, like MSU, Tennessee, etc., where we lost to really good teams in a battle right to the last second). The problem is we're incredibly inconsistent. And guess what? We all should've expected that! Many of us did. We have 3 freshmen playing key roles and not enough high-level, upperclassmen as leaders that can pull us to consistent play single-handedly. Yesterday, Will had multiple slap-your-forehead plays followed by crazy high-level shot-making...that's the freshman experience for ya.

There's still plenty of time to turn this ship around. Do we have a team talented enough to make a deep run? Yes. Will they be consistent enough to actually win multiple games in a row? I doubt it. But hey, you never know. We are still a team in the conversation, and that gives me a lot of pride, even when they absolutely :poop: the bed. Unfortunately, that happens. It's happened almost every year we've had a great team ('21, '24). Plenty of games where we barely scrape out a win solely on the back of Ayo or TSJ. We don't have an upperclass version of Ayo or TSJ on this team. Guys are going to have bad games. It is what it is. It's not enjoyable, but please stop acting like the season is over on January 31st -- there's a lot more to go and a lot more still to fight for.

Rant over.
 
#431      
I apologize if this has already been posted, but I saw a clip of Brad post-game a couple weeks ago when he said to the team, “Give me a reason to play you.” If DGL hasn’t given him a reason than I really question what the he🏒 🏒 Coach is talking about. And we have a couple guys who have given him a reason NOT to play them, so let’s effing go, Coach. Supposedly, we don’t promise starting jobs or specific minutes to anyone (see, both Fears), so start playing those who have earned the PT.


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#432      
I'd just say it's Jan. 31 (believe me, can't wait for this month to be over and closer to golf weather) -- there's still a lot that can change. I see DGL getting a bigger and bigger role the rest of the way and Ben a smaller and smaller role and DGL still here next year. It wasn't that long ago that Morez was gone on this board. Now DGL is as well. I'll just wait to see how the season plays out.

And while Boswell drives me crazy with everyone else on his shot selection, I just love watching him going and getting rebounds that very, very few players his size normally get. That's valuable and will help win games if we can just get other things back on track.
 
#433      
There have been a few posters acting like those of us acting like the Nebraska loss is a VERY big deal that speaks to systemic issues with this team are overreacting - overly emotional in the wake of a loss, and we'll ~regain our senses~ after a good night's sleep. Well, I would like to show what concerns me so much about this team. I posted this in the Nebraska pregame thread of our overall shooting and three-point shooting. Well, here's the new list with Nebraska. Averages are pre-Nebraska, since I didn't redo the whole thing. Orange wins and blue losses, like last time.

FIELD GOALS
57.5% at #16 Oregon
52.6% vs. Arkansas (Kansas City, MO)
47.0% at Washington

46.5% in average win
45.1% vs. #4 Alabama (Birmingham, AL)
44.6% vs. Northwestern
44.2% vs. Penn State
43.9% vs. #20 Missouri (St. Louis, MO)

42.9% in average game
42.4% at #7 Michigan State
42.2% vs. #17 Wisconsin
40.0% at Indiana

38.2% in average loss
37.7% vs. Maryland
37.3% at Northwestern
37.1% vs. USC
35.6% at Nebraska
29.4% vs. #8 Tennessee


THREE-POINTERS
55.2% at #16 Oregon
48.4% vs. Arkansas (Kansas City, MO)
34.8% in average win (obviously driven up by Oregon!)
34.4% at Indiana

33.3% vs. #4 Alabama (Birmingham, AL)
32.3% vs. Penn State
30.8% vs. #20 Missouri (St. Louis, MO)
30.3% vs. #17 Wisconsin

30.0% in average game
28.1% vs. Northwestern
26.5% at Northwestern
23.8% at Nebraska

23.6% in average loss
21.9% vs. USC
21.4% vs. Maryland
20.8% at #7 Michigan State

19.2% at Washington
17.4% vs. #8 Tennessee

So yeah ... you can't shoot 35.6% from the field and win most days. And giving up 17 points off of 17 turnovers is a recipe for losing. And blown defensive assignments on top of any other issues are going to make it impossible to win. However, what scares me to DEATH about this team is that they don't seem to have that "grind it out" mode to adjust when the shots aren't falling. When we started off like 2-20 from three or something so ridiculously bad, what changed about our game plan, our effort, how careful we were with the ball, etc.? Literally nothing.

I would wager the reason many people have become terribly pessimistic going forward is the answer to this question: How do we respond if our shots aren't falling while our opponent's are, digging us an 8-point deficit or so in the first half? That is literally bound to happen to every team. If the answer isn't to sharpen up mentally and step up the overall effort, we will lose every game where that happens, because we lack any hope of staging a comeback if that is the case! And guess what? That is exactly what has happened. Here are our Big Ten wins this year and the largest deficits we faced in each...

W 86-80 vs. Wisconsin ... trailed by 4 with 8:57 in first half
W 109-77 at Oregon ... trailed by 5 with 16:05 in first half
W 81-77 at Washington ... never trailed once
W 91-52 vs. Penn State ... trailed by 6 with 14:29 in first half
W 94-69 at Indiana ... trailed by 1 with 18:05 in first half
W 83-74 vs. Northwestern ... trailed by 1 with 18:20 in first half

Obviously there is nothing wrong with blowing teams out, but we clearly aren't doing that very often ... or we wouldn't be just 6-5 in conference play. So what worries me about not trailing by any material amount in any of our wins?? Well, we haven't had a game where we were seemingly off and got it together. And if that is your MO as a team, you will not go far. If we are having a good shooting day and everyone is feeling it, we will simply beat the other team the vast majority of the time, hardly ever trailing besides earlier in the first half. But if we have an off day like EVERY TEAM DOES?? It seems like we just fold. MSU was a bit of an anomaly given the fouls on KJ, but look at our last 3 Big Ten losses:

L 72-82 vs. USC ... we never led again after 17:32 in the second half and spent the vast majority of the game trailing by 5-8
L 70-91 vs. Maryland ... last lead was by 1 with 12:29 left in the first half and then Maryland methodically expanded its lead until it got to embarrassing territory
L 74-80 at Nebraska ... never led once and sent it to OT because Nebraska had NO business ever being up in the first place (at which point we got outscored 8-0 before a garbage time layup made it 8-2...)

So there you have it visually ... so far, you pretty much know if we are going to win or lose a couple minutes in, and that is VERY frustrating and alarming as a fan. We have not shown one ounce of grit to respond to adversity and tough out a win when our pretty three pointers end up as bricks or our dazzling moves to the basket twirl off of the rim for misses. Our response to "our game" not going well ... is to keep playing our game in the exact same way, thinking that eventually the shots will fall. And teams like that, more often than not, end up as a 7-10 seed and in the Second Round on a good day. That's not good enough for Illinois Basketball. And, of course, the cherry on top is that the body language from this group (with a couple exceptions like DGL, bless his soul!) and the decision making of this staff just frankly seem to indicate that THEY don't see what's going on as unacceptable. They might be bummed out, they obviously want to win, they know they can play better, etc .... but they're not angry. They're not disgusted. Or they're at least not enough of either one to flip a switch and improve things. And we the fans rightfully are both angry and disgusted, so there's your disconnect.
 
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#436      
Are we an unathletic team?

We have almost no one outside of DGL that can break his man off the dribble. KJ is craffy but not quick, Boswell is kinda a ploder for a PG - that's why he settles for heroic 3pters cause his so limited. We have no one on the team that can throw down high flying dunks, put backs and alley-oops.

Up and down the roster we have very few elite athletes.
Good height not very athletic.

DGL is really the only player with any explosion. You could make arguments that White and Morez are above average athletes for their size and position but that's it.

Kasparis has a solid first step and understands how to play with pace at least.

That's about it. None of Boswell, Riley, Tomi, Humrichous, or Davis are good athletes for their position.

Kind of a sharp contrast to last year where you had the best athlete on the court at all times in Shannon plus Hawkins, Guerrier, and Ty on the court for heavy minutes. Just kind of bullied opposing teams with size and athleticism last year.
 
#438      
Based on the number of empty seats at home B1G games it might be time Brad realize changes need to be made. I for one am on record it we lose both Ty and DGL I will not be reupping for my season tickets again. I will also not donate to IFund.. They want to change everything about buying your seats and always want more money but if I can not feel like I am investing in players I want to watch, then viewing from home is just fine.
 
#439      
The suggestion that an important part of the reasoning behind Brad Underwood’s ongoing decisions to play Ben Humrichous as many minutes as he does is a result of the amount of NIL money that Illinois has invested in Ben surprised me, makes a sort of sense in retrospect, and is frustrating.

I wonder if there might be an additional factor involved as well.

One of the things that contributes to success as a coach is believing in the star, and to a lesser degree, the starters (or finishers) on your team. A coach has identified who this is and has developed a system of offense and defense that promotes the success of these players. The coach has a lot of his own ego invested in the success of the star, or handful of stars/starters on his team.

For example, Brad Underwood’s belief in Trent Frazier, Ayo Dosunmu, Kofi Cockburn (alias Coffee Coburn, I read with a snort of laughter recently), Terrence Shannon, Jr and Marcus Domask has been, in my opinion, instrumental in the success of these Illini. A coach can, to some degree, will his chosen ones to greater accomplishments.

So I can see how it would be really challenging --- once a coach has committed himself to a star, or stars --- to also honestly evaluate his guys: the coach has effectively brainwashed himself as well as his players.

But I’d hope a veteran coach with feedback from trusted assistants could manage to be both a “true believer” and a clear-eyed evaluator.
 
#440      
I have been just as down as many of you after last night's performance and I have deep concerns about the future of this season's team. But one of our newest Big Ten rivals might be what we should be looking towards as a symbol of optimism that things can turn around.

Less than three weeks ago, UCLA had just lost its fourth straight game, making it five losses in their last six, including a blowout loss to Maryland and an 8 point road loss to Nebraska. Sound familiar?

Mick Cronin went on several rants calling his entire team and coaching staff soft, making excuses about having to travel so far east and playing games on Peacock, while touting his career wins record.

Now the Bruins have won five in a row and look like a team nobody wants to face.

Not saying that is something any team can replicate or that they will even continue to play that well the rest of the way. But it shows that a lot can happen in a month and a half.

I believe they have the time and the talent to right the ship. Adjustments need to be made and it's up to Brad, the staff and the players to make it happen.
 
#441      
Y'all, I get the frustration. I really do, especially re: DGL and his substitution patterns. But some of these sky-is-falling takes are just classic overreaction. This team has warts, yes. It's over-reliant on 3s, yes. But we've also had multiple games where we looked like absolute world beaters (and several games, like MSU, Tennessee, etc., where we lost to really good teams in a battle right to the last second). The problem is we're incredibly inconsistent. And guess what? We all should've expected that! Many of us did. We have 3 freshmen playing key roles and not enough high-level, upperclassmen as leaders that can pull us to consistent play single-handedly. Yesterday, Will had multiple slap-your-forehead plays followed by crazy high-level shot-making...that's the freshman experience for ya.

There's still plenty of time to turn this ship around. Do we have a team talented enough to make a deep run? Yes. Will they be consistent enough to actually win multiple games in a row? I doubt it. But hey, you never know. We are still a team in the conversation, and that gives me a lot of pride, even when they absolutely :poop: the bed. Unfortunately, that happens. It's happened almost every year we've had a great team ('21, '24). Plenty of games where we barely scrape out a win solely on the back of Ayo or TSJ. We don't have an upperclass version of Ayo or TSJ on this team. Guys are going to have bad games. It is what it is. It's not enjoyable, but please stop acting like the season is over on January 31st -- there's a lot more to go and a lot more still to fight for.

Rant over.
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#443      
People are making things WAY more difficult than they need to be and are coming to ridiculous conclusions.

When is the last time that we've had a healthy roster? In the games where we have been 100%, what's our record?

We are currently snake bit with injuries. The two guys that we simply could not afford to lose, both got sick/injured. Tomi has proven to be absolutely indispensable on both ends.

Let's get back to 100%(hopefully we can) and then let the chips fall where they may. I like our chances.

Look at UCONN right now without McNeely. Anyone questioning Hurley's coaching abilities?

Step off the ledge and don't look any farther into things than needed. The comments coming out of a few of you.....good grief.
 
#444      
I really don’t want to lose DGL at the end of the year. He embodies the best of the EDG culture. However, I’m afraid he doesn’t trust BU anymore and I can’t blame him….hope I’m wrong and we can change that.
 
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#445      
If we lose Will at end of season because Ben is playing so much (and poorly), Josh has to have a coming to Jesus meeting with Brad. Extremely disappointed in how he’s chosen to allocate minutes this year. College and pro sports are supposed to be the last true meritocracy. Smh
 
#446      
The emotions I had last night watching the WBB game ranged all across the spectrum from good vibes to bad vibes and I still had total admiration for their effort and heart displayed.........They came back from a horrendous 3rd quarter to tie up the game and send it to overtime.......Genesis B. scored 14 points in the 4th quarter and has a heart the size of the Rocky Mts.....She continued to will the team to OT victory.......

I said all of that to draw a parallel to the MBB game we all witnessed last night......I had a similar range of emotions across the spectrum but never had any feeling of the good vibes about the MBB game as it boiled down to a one step forward , 2 steps back ordeal........

Bad passes , combined with horrible shooting on 3's , led me to have a sinking feeling midway through the 1st half that we were going to slide deeper into the abyss of under performing our skill and talent level in another winnable game situation ........

I really really have to be honest in the fact that us coming back to force overtime really didn't sink in until DGL sank that 3 pointer to tie the game up at 70 all.........His 3 pter shook the cobwebs out of my forlorn and heavily medded up brain and I came back alive with a surge of optimism that we were going to grasp victory from the jaws of defeat.........I really really did..........

I figured those last 25 seconds of regulation would have an option to get the ball to the hot hand of Mr. DGL for a drive to the rim on a last second layup or foul to secure the win.........

Alas , that scenario didn't come to fruition........What dumbstruck me the most was no DGL on the court to start the overtime......I asked NL # 3 about it and she snapped back with a string of vulgarities that would tell you EXACTLY how she was thinking about the matter at hand.........

Our first 2 offensive possessions went nowhere and all the mojo of forcing OT went out like a busted balloon and we lost to a vastly inferior opponent yet again because of poor coaching decisions and playing the wrong players at the worst time imaginable........

I woke up this morning after tossing and turning through 4 hours of sleep with a gigantic headache.........I then had a doctors appt. at 9:45 followed up by a couple of hours reading all the keyboard cowboys opinion's about what went wrong last night......
it's good to see all the participation and opinion giving done here.....It's also comical at times on what is posted here.........but I support everyone's right to give an opinion no matter how farcical it is.........But , I do agree with the main thought of BH needs to be out of the starting 5 and his minutes slashed to half of what he now is getting....

I know he is trying his best but he just ain't cutting it as a player on a ranked P 5 team......I think my vertical as a 73 yr old is more than his and if he isn't hitting 45 % of his 3's then his overall game puts us at a disadvantage....

Final thought :

It would be so nice to see DGL in the starting 5 this Sunday and him getting 30 + minutes.....I have other ideas about rotations but my headache is still throbbing and it's time for my meds............

The life as an Illini fanatic is not an easy road to follow , but it's the only road I want to be on.....It really really is.............

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I'm still getting closer to my home....................

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