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Cliffmas
I love seeing bad shooters make their first two. They’ll force some bad ones later in the game that’ll help us later on.
Pregame: Illinois vs Michigan State, Saturday, February 15th, 7:00pm CT, FOX
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Bigtex
- DFW
Only comment - 100% of those clips had the guard shooting from 15-18 feet. I think if that was the result the majority of the time - we all would 100% support it.
We have seen too many times where Illinois opponents are shooting from 2-8 feet (and not uncommon for Illinois guard to pickup a foul). Illinois bigs aren't like NBA bigs that protect the paint.
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Swith or hedge the screen so the defender can keep up with the ball handler. That's what a lot of teams do to us and it usually causes us fits. I would rather see that approach vs trailing the cutter and I can argue it all in want.
EDIT: My bad, duplicate post, can delete
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OrangeBlue98
Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
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I absolutely read this in Hubie Brown's voice.
Yes, our drop coverage is often too deep imo and we are fouling the ballhandler (who has found himself in duress, btw, with a big in front of him and a guard on his hip) far too often in these situations.
Swith or hedge the screen so the defender can keep up with the ball handler. That's what a lot of teams do to us and it usually causes us fits. I would rather see that approach vs trailing the cutter and I can argue it all in want.
Yes you can certainly argue it all you want! So you prefer to switch Ben/Morez/Ivisic on to smaller guards and then have our smaller guards forced into defending their 7 footer in the painted area? That's why we are rarely switching in these scenarios. Switches work if the players are comparable in size & ability.
I'm close, OB. Per the clip, drop coverage is "designed to take opponents off the three point line." To me, the question is, if the opponent isn't great from 3, do the benefits of doing this (keeping Sparty off the three point line) outweigh the risks (KJ foul trouble)?
If we adjust our D and lose because they bomb us from range, I promise to never question our defensive strategy again. But if we play the same way, and lose a second time because KJ has to sit for long spells in foul trouble, I'm not gonna be a happy camper.
But no negative waves. Let's just win.
Careful..... Poor Pru has been limited on how many NL pics he can post.
You may upset the PC crowd with your request for more. They will clamor for equal time for hairy armpit Lady Spartan zone pictures.
Illini in OC
In. The. Alley.
I would really hope Brad has a stern talking to officials pre game about what happened last game and the officials won't call fouls against him unless its obvious. You darn well know Izzo would have his star player protected on the return game.
AKA: Prancer
I believe he also spent some time as a blocking back for Rutgers.
I withdraw my request
He may or may not have but I sure as !!!! wouldn't trust an AI overview for veracity.
Man do I miss TSJ on a fast break
Battle89
- Cary-Grove, the better Trojan team
Figured I'd get a 'can't trust AI' response from someone here. Fair enough, I just wasn't going to search any more. Any source from 20 years ago is probably open to questions, if you can even find the answer.
blackdog
- Champaign
What's your data to back up your claim that this is happening "too many times"? If it's just based on observation it's going to be flawed unless you are charting it because we are only going to remeber the times it doesn't work and ignore the times we forced a tough mid range that clanked. No defensive scheme is perfect 100% of the time and there will always be breakdowns.
Illinois is currently 23rd nationally in opposing fg% allowing opponents to shoot 39.9% from the field. Seems like the strategy is actually working pretty well.
He said switch or hedge. You are not typically switching when hedging ball screens. You are just trying to impede and push out the dribble drive enough to recover from the screen.
Virginia hedges ball screen all the time. I think we hedged ball screens all the time under Self and Weber.
Personally, I think it depends on personnel on both defense and offense on which tactic you use.
I see ur point. What I would prefer is a hard enough hedge to stop the ball so our gaurds can catch up and then our bigs get back to their man. I see other teams do it all the time. In fact we get it done so hard on us at times it puts our ball handler in total retreat with no chance of making a good pass to our bigs and totally disrupting our offensive flow.
Gives me Boo Buie vibes every time I see it developing.
I watched pretty closely on how auCLA defended the high ball screen. They would hedge pretty hard with the guy who was guarding the screener. This would allow their guard to be able to get over and catch up. The big guy was able to recover on our big guys. One way to counter this is to slip the screener. Which we have had success before doing. Brad just believes the drop coverage better fits our personal by forcing to take tough two’s. I have taught my teams both ways but prefer the help and recover method.
So..... an Indiana team, who has struggled all year, switches to a zone midway through the first half and shuts Sparty down. Woodsen says they practiced it that week coming into the game. However, Izzo termed it 'they (IU) played an insignificant amount of zone on the year.' - They used it vs Louisville and Michigan sparingly.
But we can't practice it leading up to a game, especially considering our positional size? Is Indiana somehow superior in intellect they can grasp it but we can't (our guys have high IQs)? If Mich St. scores on it a few times, fine, switch back to drop coverage.
But we can't practice it leading up to a game, especially considering our positional size? Is Indiana somehow superior in intellect they can grasp it but we can't (our guys have high IQs)? If Mich St. scores on it a few times, fine, switch back to drop coverage.
sacraig
- The desert
So..... an Indiana team, who has struggled all year, switches to a zone midway through the first half and shuts Sparty down. Woodsen says they practiced it that week coming into the game. However, Izzo termed it 'they (IU) played an insignificant amount of zone on the year.' - They used it vs Louisville and Michigan sparingly.
But we can't practice it leading up to a game, especially considering our positional size? Is Indiana somehow superior in intellect they can grasp it but we can't (our guys have high IQs)? If Mich St. scores on it a few times, fine, switch back to drop coverage.
Same concerns with hedging. Hedging typically forces a switch, and was why I didn't see the need to address it separately. And, hedging actually leaves you more vulnerable to pick and pop 3s than straight switching does.
Edit: I also think the reason we run our drop coverage so low is because we want to wall off the dunker spot.
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