How do you say his teams consistently disappoint. We have won more big ten games than any. The only knock on him is the NCAA tournament. A single elimination tournament in a neutral site is an awful way to judge a Coach’s skills.
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pruman91
- interviewing new NL's daily....I really really am
are you 100 % sure Rez is an Illini next year ??............to me , if Rez leaves after being committed for 2 years as a HS player tells me a lot about the state of affairs within the team and how it's being run...............it really really does............
The Sprouting Divot
Invisible and Bulletproof
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The increasing prevalence of this "definition of insanity" reference among our fan discourse is starting to remind me of the end of the Ron Zook era.
A few more parallels emerge upon further consideration.
I just listened to the press conference. Lots of cringe in there for me.
I felt the foreshadowing of a Colonal Jessup situation when he was talking about “people’s lives”.
Interrupting reporters. Saying something about them writing about “crap”
Interrupting the woman who asked a very good question previously.
Doubling down on some questionable game decisions.
Kinda smirking while KJ was being asked questions.
Time for me to move on to the next one. Hope we continue our domination of Wisky in our next game.
I felt the foreshadowing of a Colonal Jessup situation when he was talking about “people’s lives”.
Interrupting reporters. Saying something about them writing about “crap”
Interrupting the woman who asked a very good question previously.
Doubling down on some questionable game decisions.
Kinda smirking while KJ was being asked questions.
Time for me to move on to the next one. Hope we continue our domination of Wisky in our next game.
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Just for the sake of it, to run the numbers during that stretch - 12 of the 19 shots were threes... also missed 4 layups as well as a front end of a one and one. Brutal all around.
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IlliniRon
Illini Basketball Fan Forever
- Ft Worth, Texas
I think Brad needs to push his ego aside, man up, have a meeting with Tre and get past whatever happened. It’s the best for the team and Tre.
DICKnaggie
- Champaign
And it will result in massive turnover again. Guys that we should keep will leave and we will have another cluster of new players next year to figure out roles and rotations. I've been a watching since the mid 70's and I swear to God, if Brad can't keep Rez, I'm done. The Pizza Hut parking lot guys are Tre, DGL, and Rez, and they all see way too much of the bench. Put up or shut up Brad.
All of us think this. None of us believe this is going to happen.
You can win every single big ten game and if your season always ends on a fart, it isn’t worth much.
We always lose the big games. Always.
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Orangetool
Give me back my Afta, heh heh
Regarding the banner screwup: we have our own Miznoz
I couldn't agree more Pru!
DICKnaggie
- Champaign
And who is roster construction on? Talent evaluation? Scheme to get the most of the players you have? In game adjustment and changes to maximize available potential? Rotations and playing time (or not)? Yes, players are accountable but they are so within the system, culture and scheme the HEAD coach builds.
Here in lies the problem. Retention. Without a returning bunch, you just can't have continuity. Same with the assistants. I don't think that this result should be all that shocking. Hopefully, we don't have the same issue next year because we have a full line change of a team coming back.
Yeah, there’s not much method to that madness.
The Sprouting Divot
Invisible and Bulletproof
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I'm not a big Xs and Os person - the nitty gritty of the theory, various philosophies and schemes, etc., is beyond me.
But it is plainly obvious what's happening when looking at the blueprint for most of our losses, and even many of our wins. We start out hot, look dominant, build up a big lead, etc., but then the opposing coaching staff counters.
And we just continue doing what worked for the first five minutes of the game, ignorantly expecting the remaining 35 minutes to remain the exact same, or to somehow magically return to form.
It's like there's some pathological unwillingness to adapt to anything or make adjustments because doing so might suggest - - - I don't even know what - - - but it's some general and obvious concept that nevertheless threatens Underwood's ego, worldview, level of competence, trust in Tyler, etc.
But it is plainly obvious what's happening when looking at the blueprint for most of our losses, and even many of our wins. We start out hot, look dominant, build up a big lead, etc., but then the opposing coaching staff counters.
And we just continue doing what worked for the first five minutes of the game, ignorantly expecting the remaining 35 minutes to remain the exact same, or to somehow magically return to form.
It's like there's some pathological unwillingness to adapt to anything or make adjustments because doing so might suggest - - - I don't even know what - - - but it's some general and obvious concept that nevertheless threatens Underwood's ego, worldview, level of competence, trust in Tyler, etc.
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This is the best post on this thread. Whitman-instead of leading and going into crisis management at the unveiling seemed to run and not know what to do. Shellshock. To your point, the second mistake presented an opportunity to IMMEDIATELY mitigate the first mistake. Instead, they let the first mistake stand as a dark cloud and a symbol of the school’s incompetence over the entire second half. It’s like your eating dinner with someone who has a big booger hanging out of their nose that you tell them about but they refuse to wipe it away. So then you make tsj go out their postgame for a lame and WAY LATE attempt to correct the mistake. During the halftime ceremony it took about 1:02 to lower the banner and then about the same to raise it (as I’ve calculated on my video of the debacle). Let’s call the total duration 2:30 to be generous to Josh. There was about 7 minutes left in halftime at the time by my memory. So Josh you could’ve instantly blunted the mistake but instead you seemed to run from it (at least at the moment of crisis). And then in an eerie fashion the Illini played in the second half like the DIA performed at halftime-incompetent and shellshocked.
I’ve had so many friends who went to other schools reach out, mostly to laugh at it but some to console. The consoling actually makes me feel worse because it shows what a massive stain this incident was on Illinois. The last time I got this reaction from non Illini friends was when deadspin blasted our 1/10 full Block I during a 2013 Illini football game.
But to end with a positive spin-now look at the football team! And maybe now Josh and Brad will have a true audit of the team, starting with Brad and whether he can rededicate himself to X and Os in the weeds, in game adjustment coaching-m. And then you move onto the assistants starting with daddy’s little boy-I don’t mind the kid sitting on the bench as essentially an intern while he learns the craft as an apprentice. But I really despise what I understand as a greater role for the son, and frankly it shows with the performance. So if we take this moment to effect change then last night could be seen as a turning point. It’s only mid February and a Duke win and the same at Wisconsin-a team Brad seems to own recently-will make most forget last night and will be huge for NCAA seeding.
USAFILLINI
- Florida
Imagine if we have another mass exodus, which everything points to it happening again, but add on top of that the boosters not willing to pony up big money for the NIL. If that happens, we are in for a long stretch of bad basketball
DB11Headband
- Chicago Burbs
I’m certainly not, Pru
It's quite simple. Without Stephen Gentry on the bench, don't expect any adjustments.
Remember, Underwood was struggling big time at Ok State. They (Stephen Gentry) made an adjustment, and the team took off ending very strongly. Gentry got Underwood the job here. Then when we adjusted our defense here, because remember we were awful the first couple of Underwood years, guess who.
From what insiders relayed, Gentry is probably a dork. Didn't mesh well with the other assistants, so Underwood took the recruiters and let the strategist go to Gonzaga. I'd assume if we had 5 coaches back then, we'd have kept Gentry around. But without Gentry on our bench, we have not adjusted at all.
And I still keep coming back to last year. People say well look at last year, that proves.... I don't agree. Last year we had a stud just play hero ball over and over and over, and he kept making it work. We had a second guy that was bigger and stronger than most people who guarded him and was able to make booty ball work over and over. Notice when Ben tries it, his defender often just pushes him back, and it doesn't work.
My fear is that last year was more a testament to the dominance of Terrance Shannon as college player than it was Underwood being a great coach. I would have said Underwood is a great GM. He can get the players and coaches, though this year I'm very suspect of the coaches. But he is not a bench coach. Hey being a great GM will win you a ton of games. But my question ultimately becomes, in an NIL world, can any coach land a group of studs with the money we spend? And then, can a better bench coach perform better, even if they don't land the exact same quality of players, because our NIL will always land us a top 5 talent roster in conference.
Big Jack
- Decatur
Translation: he is sticking with BH. You don't know what you're talking about. Just like going after Clingan in the second half when it failed miserably in the first half against UConn. Consequence? A definite second-round ouster in the NCAA. Wouldn't be surprised if BU loses the 8/9 game or 7/10 game in R1.
skyIdub
"I can't tell you. Secret."
Well now, if this practice incident rumor is true, I wonder if it involved Tyler and offense play calling/philosophies?
Can anyone recall something even remotely similar with a player just done?
Reduced minutes/role is one thing, but Tre is so buried on the bench I swore I saw a head stone by his seat.
Can anyone recall something even remotely similar with a player just done?
Reduced minutes/role is one thing, but Tre is so buried on the bench I swore I saw a head stone by his seat.
I wasn't there, so I don't know all the facts, but I'd like to believe after a cooling-off period and consequence issued, that the "conversation" of which Sharpshot16 types of would take place and the "moving on, looking forward" theme would prevail. Let's see.
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Practice incident rumor?
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