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Let’s not act like Sean didn’t assemble that 2021-2022 team at Arizona … Those were all of his players …

You’re including the COVID year when no one made the tournament … He would’ve made it that year …

But fine here’s your argument …

First year at Xavier … Sweet 16 … 27 wins …

Last year … They lost 2 starters for the season … One being their best player … In July … Had to bring in 3 international guys just to try and compete …

This year … Lost another starter and had their best player miss a month again …

He’s proven he can recruit kids … Globally … He puts kids in the NBA … He’s won 71% of his games …

I’m not saying he’s the greatest coach in the world and I honestly think Beard would do better here than Sean would … But to say Sean isn’t a lateral move at worst ??? Crazy …
Maybe crazy, but: How about Rick Petino - he's got SJU rockin
 
#230      
Let’s not act like Sean didn’t assemble that 2021-2022 team at Arizona … Those were all of his players …

You’re including the COVID year when no one made the tournament … He would’ve made it that year …

But fine here’s your argument …

First year at Xavier … Sweet 16 … 27 wins …

Last year … They lost 2 starters for the season … One being their best player … In July … Had to bring in 3 international guys just to try and compete …

This year … Lost another starter and had their best player miss a month again …

He’s proven he can recruit kids … Globally … He puts kids in the NBA … He’s won 71% of his games …

I’m not saying he’s the greatest coach in the world and I honestly think Beard would do better here than Sean would … But to say Sean isn’t a lateral move at worst ??? Crazy …

Yes, he was great at Arizona, but that might as well be ancient history in this transformational era of CBB.

(a) You can't give him credit for the 2021-22 Arizona team and then also give him credit for his first year at Xavier. So go ahead and give him credit for Zona's good run continuing after he left but then you have to say he's done absolutely nothing in his second run at Xavier.
(b) Injuries last year definitely were unfortunate, but the rest of the last 5-6 years aren't out of the ordinary of what every team deals with for health.
(c1) Pointing out his winning percentage is banking on the Sean Miller of 7-15 years ago and ignoring his current performance. Sean Miller was a great coach! Sean Miller has little to show he's good coach right now.
(c2) Sean Miller only finished fifth or worse in conference standings one time from 2004-2018. Since 2018? He's finished t-8th, t-5th, 5th, 2nd, t-9th, currently t-5th. He's currently in a conference that has 11 teams, including Butler, DePaul, Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Providence.
(d) Pointing to recruiting and pros, but ignoring the recent performance makes us sound like Nebraska football fans.
(e) Fran McCaffrey stinks and is going to get run out of Iowa City but has been to more NCAA tournaments since COVID than Sean Miller.

At some point, winning matters. Sean Miller was a top-5 coach from 2004-2018, maybe even top-3, but he's been bad for 7 seasons. He needs to show more success than average Big East play to get a really good job in the Big Ten.
 
#232      
Right, but the last time, he wasn't asking the head coach to demote or remove his own son. It's a little different.
I have no inside info, but isn't there's a decent middle ground here that saves face for all parties? Something like, Tyler keeps his position but Hamer and Kwa don't, bring in an x's & o's guy (or two) who can also mentor/train Tyler with a view to getting Tyler to move onto another program the following season to further his career? How realistic is it that we'd replace 3 ACs on one offseason anyway, especially if we're going to spend on high quality replacements?
 
#233      
I have no inside info, but isn't there's a decent middle ground here that saves face for all parties? Something like, Tyler keeps his position but Hamer and Kwa don't, bring in an x's & o's guy (or two) who can also mentor/train Tyler with a view to getting Tyler to move onto another program the following season to further his career? How realistic is it that we'd replace 3 ACs on one offseason anyway, especially if we're going to spend on high quality replacements?

This is where I'm at. Lots of rave reviews last year with Tyler helping with the offense, so shuffle the other spots for recruiting or other changes. Everyone wins.
 
#236      
What fan base would genuinely get excited if their school hired Brad underwood this offseason?

Miami … FSU … LSU … ASU … Cincy … TCU … South Carolina … Oklahoma … Texas …

Assuming there’s transition at those schools …

UNC wouldn’t be happy but he’d win …

I ain’t saying get rid of Brad either … I like Brad but sticking with Tyler and Hamer can’t continue after this season … And if he refuses to make that change … It’s going to be tough …
 
#237      
Brad’s agent has been communicating with other programs already … And not just one or two programs either …

Now is this Brad telling him to do so ?? Idk … Because he does this every year …

But some of these programs that I know they’re talking to are not an “upgrade” …
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#238      
Yes, he was great at Arizona, but that might as well be ancient history in this transformational era of CBB.

(a) You can't give him credit for the 2021-22 Arizona team and then also give him credit for his first year at Xavier. So go ahead and give him credit for Zona's good run continuing after he left but then you have to say he's done absolutely nothing in his second run at Xavier.
(b) Injuries last year definitely were unfortunate, but the rest of the last 5-6 years aren't out of the ordinary of what every team deals with for health.
(c1) Pointing out his winning percentage is banking on the Sean Miller of 7-15 years ago and ignoring his current performance. Sean Miller was a great coach! Sean Miller has little to show he's good coach right now.
(c2) Sean Miller only finished fifth or worse in conference standings one time from 2004-2018. Since 2018? He's finished t-8th, t-5th, 5th, 2nd, t-9th, currently t-5th. He's currently in a conference that has 11 teams, including Butler, DePaul, Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Providence.
(d) Pointing to recruiting and pros, but ignoring the recent performance makes us sound like Nebraska football fans.
(e) Fran McCaffrey stinks and is going to get run out of Iowa City but has been to more NCAA tournaments since COVID than Sean Miller.

At some point, winning matters. Sean Miller was a top-5 coach from 2004-2018, maybe even top-3, but he's been bad for 7 seasons. He needs to show more success than average Big East play to get a really good job in the Big Ten.
I think Sean Miller was cheating in those Arizona years. In the NIL era with talent and money equalized I am not sure just how good of a coach he is.
 
#240      
Brad will get you back to relevance but I dont think its gonna work at some of these places. Hes gonna have 0 players to bring with him and I dont think anyones gonna stay. gonna build another 12 man new roster bringing the nepotism coach and no OA? I just dont see it. hes not gonna have a ayo trent or damonte whos gonna stick through it.
 
#241      
Give him our level of NIL … Grab a beer … Sit back and watch …

Same thing with Beard and especially with Will Wade … That dude is getting HM players to Mcneese freaking State for a half bag of Lay’s and a few peanuts …
If it comes to that, Brad doesn't change the staff and is gone elsewhere, I want Beard. Everyone else is a distant second. Question is: does Beard want UI?
 
#242      
A lot. He's not perfect but this fanbase is going delusional about this.
The UNC fan base would absolutely not be happy at all w Underwood. People would riot. Their hire has to be a homerun hire. There’s already a massive uprising about where their new arena is going to be built. Off-campus or on-campus. Lots of season ticket holders and PSL holders are going to be upset. Hiring an unsatisfactory coach (in their minds) will turn off donations to fund that. They have to hit a homerun hire and Brad would be a double. Certainly better than Hubert. But the uproar would be tremendous.
 
#244      
What fan base would genuinely get excited if their school hired Brad underwood this offseason?
I like BU and would much rather we work it out with a shakeup of ACs than replace him. I think outside of UNC, I could see most fanbases of teams that could potentially have openings this offseason being excited about him. Yes, this has been a bad season, and we had another bad season two years ago. But in each of those bad seasons we still will have made the tourney. He would immediately raise the level at places like Indiana and UNC (both of which are likely to miss the tourney for the 2nd time in the 4 years they've had their current coaches). I think it's not crazy to think that Kansas could hire him and the fans be happy about it, if that job were to open up.

I mean, when we plucked up Bielema on the football side, there was plenty in his record to look at critically. But I think the majority of fans were excited about the positive aspects of his resume. I think fans of another team would look at BU with a similar lens.
 
#245      
UNC, Miami, TCU, UIC, SEMO, Sangamon St, Ranken Tech, DeVry..... point is, no matter whom, I ain't losing any sleep.
 
#246      
Brad is not gonna win his first 2 years at a new program, and in this era fans gonna expect wins if he gets paid what he gets paid currently
He will not have success like dusty may is having because he has 0 players that would transfer for him.

this all changes at UNC or texas with the NIL possibilities, but some of those schools it just wont work. Especially if Antigua isn't following him and tyler is.
 
#248      
coach wade is a shark. look at LSU without him. thats a elite coach and a insanely good recruiter.
 
#250      
They have to make several staff changes in the offseason….If they run it back with what they have than you’re going to start seeing NIL money dry up. 😉
I certainly hope so. Not that I wish ill on our program, but if we continue to squander top-level talent, said talent will eventually stop opting to play for us and our donors will stop wanting to waste their money. In theory, if such a thing is inevitable with a coach (and I am not saying that's the case with BU), you would want to make a change before you get to that point rather than after.
 
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