Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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Really, you are the pinnacle of authority though, of course. The higher up you get in any profession, the more that is expected of you. Look no farther than John Calipari. His last 3 seasons at Kentucky were 26, 22, and 23 wins. But he wasn't getting to the 2nd weekend, and despite all the wins and tournament success in the past, Kentucky wanted him gone.

When you make a top 10 salary, and you're getting top 10 NIL support, your expectations increase. That is not debatable. Some like to say, well he's performing better than coach X. Well we haven't had any coaches in the past being paid in the top 10 with top 10 NIL. Thus, there are greater expectations. Some are fine with being good every year. Others say, we're paying for great, I want great.

People are allowed to have their own thoughts and expectations. The loudest poster doesn't get to dictate those expectations. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what anyone here says, it is Josh Whitman's decision. So trying to go after any poster who dares to disagree with you or have their own view, is a waste of everyone's time.
Except for the fact BU is the 14th highest paid coach, not in the top 10. BU only makes $50k more than Hoiberg at Nebraska.

Agree, doesn't matter what any of us say, Josh Witman is in charge thankfully and BU will only not be here if he chooses not to be.
 
#677      
And, to be fair, I don't have a favorite coach I'd rather have or strong opinion on who is "good enough." I'm just frustrated enough that I'd be willing to gamble on shaking things up and I think the program is in a good enough state and has a good enough AD that we would land a coach that is neutral at worst in terms of results.
I can agree with this. Like I said, I have my own issues with Brad. But meeting an absurdly high expectation isn’t one of them.

If Brad was gone after this year, I’d be excited to see who we could get. However, based on expectations I will only accept Brad Stevens.
 
#680      
They asked for a comparison of WW’s first five seasons and BU’s last five. (To avoid using the rebuild/covid years)

And then, to make sure you can hammer home your point, you use the very years they wanted to avoid since BU had to pull our own program out of bottom feeder status.

How many losing seasons has Brad had in the actual range that was asked for?

I know this is a message board…and the internet…but it’s also a community and credibility should be valued. Obvious bias/cherry picking only incites more argument and destroys credibility.

I literally used the same 5 year stretch …

Where was LSU before Wade took over ??? 10 wins …

Where was Illinois before Brad took over ??? 20 wins …

Use whatever years you want … There’s no bias and cherry picking about the fact Wade has had ZERO losing seasons at the high major level …

I’m not even sure what you’re debating at this point …
 
#681      
the snarkyness in this thread is disheartening to say the least and I won't participate at all in the discussion , but can't we just agree to disagree and respect each others opinion without a " print it out and cram it " type reference .........we are all ( I hope ) Fighting Illini fans first and foremost and should be looking to the Selection Sunday show to find out our path in the NCAA Tourney.......

BTW , has anyone got ANY proof or whatnot that JW or BU are even considering a change in the Illini coach for next year or even any year in the foreseeable future ?????.................this thread has devolved into a clusterf**k of gripes , delusional thoughts and certain coaches being put on pedestals with enough baggage to stagger the minds of reasonable thinking fans...............

I need to avoid these types of threads that take on the attitude of a game thread..............they only grind down into a sludge pond...........

they really really do.................just a little modicum of respect would be appreciated by all sides........JMHO........
Good post, at the end of the day we are all on the same team!
 
#682      
Conferences also are not what they used to be.

The Pac8 used to have 8 teams. The Big 8 used to have 8 teams. The Southwest Conference used to have 8 teams. The Big10 used to have 10 teams. The Big East used to have 9 teams. And the ACC used to have 8 teams. Finishing 5th in 2025 is essentially the same as finishing 2nd in the past.........in other words, competing for the title.

Winning three recent championships as the Illini have under BU is outrageously good!!
I will agree last year team was very good but I also think the team 2 years ago was 💩. I also think that this year team is 💩. Throw in all the staff construction problems and lack of correcting issues with the team. I think a coach that is getting paid as a top 10 coach should have been better prepared by putting together a staff that can cover up his weaknesses so there are several glaring problems going on. Some that I feel are inexcusable so BU is definitely trending in the wrong direction over last 3 years imo
 
#683      
I just saw one of the guys on coaching changes on twitter mention Will Wade’s name for UNLV along with Bryce Drew. Will Wade with Vegas money would be stupid.
 
#684      
I also agree changes need to be made so that we can put ourselves in the best position to try and come remotely close to BIG 10 and National Championship aspirations every year.
 
#685      
I agree, my only reservation this year is Brad seeming to not think a change is needed this season. If nothing else, I think he should (1) clearly realize there’s a huge problem with our defense at a systemic level and (2) that there is a huge amount of value in having continuity on our roster. If he made a staff change to focus more on defense and devoted our NIL resources to retaining all of the young talent we already have rather than trying to theoretically upgrade, he’d have my support 100% … regardless of what happens in the Tournament.
It doesn't seem that this is true, though. My understanding is that he spent $200,000 on Carey Booth and at least twice that on Ben Humrichous. This money could have brought in much higher level assistants than Hamer and TU. People on this board were pointing out how messed up Booth's shooting form was as soon as the signing was announced and Ben's stats at Evansville last year have been discussed ad nauseum. We need much better player evaluation than last summer, and that starts with having better assistants.
 
#686      
I literally used the same 5 year stretch …

Where was LSU before Wade took over ??? 10 wins …

Where was Illinois before Brad took over ??? 20 wins …

Use whatever years you want … There’s no bias and cherry picking about the fact Wade has had ZERO losing seasons at the high major level …

I’m not even sure what you’re debating at this point …

What relevant players returned from that 20 win team?

You saying Brad inherited a winner, then?

Man....
 
#687      
Here is the list of teams that have made a sweet 16 half the time in the last 24 years.

Duke- 15/24
Kansas- 13/24
Kentucky 12/24
Michigan St. 12/24

That is it. That’s the list. With two only meeting your “expectation”, one barely clearing your “expectation” and 1 comfortably being the best Men’s basketball coach of all time.

We have an expectations problem.
Gonzaga and Mark Few would like to disagree.
 
#688      
I just saw one of the guys on coaching changes on twitter mention Will Wade’s name for UNLV along with Bryce Drew. Will Wade with Vegas money would be stupid.

Wade should be mentioned for every job opening …

As for UNLV … If I was making the hire my first call would be to Richard Pitino …

The Drew’s love private schools … I don’t see Bryce going to UNLV …
 
#690      
Who said anything about getting there every year ?

Would I like to get there more often than once in 8 years … Yes … I don’t think that’s too high of an expectation …
I guarantee that if we would have kept an X’s and O’s AC as a primary importance after our last one left, we would have at least a couple more deep runs. A basketball game is fluid. If you make a wrong adjustment or no adjustment when the change initiates it, you will lose 75% of the time. Only superstars like Ayo, TJ, etc. allow you to overcome your in game adjustment deficiencies. If we’re willing to pay O for his recruiting and big man expertise, isn’t it just as important to have in game coaching of those same talented kids that O (and Geoff) brought into your team?


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#691      
What relevant players returned from that 20 win team?

You saying Brad inherited a winner, then?

Man....
The point is that they were both in the same spot. Will Wade inherited a bad program and turned it around quicker. Brads first two years were terrible.
 
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The point is that they were both in the same spot. Will Wade inherited a bad program and turned it around quicker. Brads first two years were terrible.

Look at what LSU returned and what Illinois returned and your position on this may change

Also, Wade had less overall success there, never made it as far in the tourney, and he was fired from LSU lmao
 
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The same fans that believe BU has the program underperforming are the same ones who make fun of Indiana fans talking about their national championships 40 years ago. The irony.

These are the golden years of Illinois basketball. I hear a lot of they expect Illinois to be in the sweet 16 every year... If you just look at the last 10 seasons in a row, I don't believe a single program has accomplished this.
Gonzaga would be the closest (y)
 
#696      
Then say that

They're not a "bottom feeder program" that's silly

Edit: not "desirous"... go check out their recruit and transfer rankings lately and get back to me
Since Wade was fired, in the last four seasons, LSU has a total of 17 SEC wins. Considering 9 of them came two seasons ago, you have three seasons with 3 or fewer SEC wins. You add in the limited resources provided there, then Indy's assessment is very accurate to the current environment.
 
#699      
Since Wade was fired, in the last four seasons, LSU has a total of 17 SEC wins. Considering 9 of them came two seasons ago, you have three seasons with 3 or fewer SEC wins. You add in the limited resources provided there, then Indy's assessment is very accurate to the current environment.

Yes... the current environment, which is not the same environment we are talking about

Wade's tenure at LSU was pre-NIL

Anyway, doesn't matter to me.. guy was fired and could only get work at McNeese

It can easily be argued Wade put LSU where they are now
 
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I literally used the same 5 year stretch …

Where was LSU before Wade took over ??? 10 wins …

Where was Illinois before Brad took over ??? 20 wins …

Use whatever years you want … There’s no bias and cherry picking about the fact Wade has had ZERO losing seasons at the high major level …

I’m not even sure what you’re debating at this point …
Wade also had his best season/only S16 at LSU in year 2. Year 3 was Covid (worse record though). Year 4 he made 2nd Round. Year 5 bounced in 1st round. That's worse trajectory than BU any way you slice it.
 
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