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illiniswish09
- Northwest Suburbs
He will be applying and I would think he will get it
How many times does one of us have to say they are going to hire a different defensive assistant?
Bigtex
- DFW
I hope DD gets many iowa portals. It is not like they were winning for their coach
DeonThomas
- South Carolina
See: Illinois Basketball............2011 to 2017.
If I'm NW I'd take a harder look at the current Loyola coach than the previous one.
Bad comparison. Apples to Oranges. Illinois in 2011 to 2017 didn’t invest $15M in NIL and coaches salaries. Expectations are different now. Valid comparison are programs that are paying coaches $5M per year and more.
What's wrong with the direction of the program? He replaced 11 guys(???), had a massive recruiting class made up of young kids, he won 20 games with and injured and sick roster and we're a 6 seed in the NCAA Tournament.
If that outcome is worth a discussion on the program's direction, if I'm Brad, it would be really hard to keep that middle finger in his palm.
Now, I will say this when it comes to direction. He needs to construct an "older" roster. I think that everyone here and obviously Brad knows that. The roller coaster, given everything, has been quite the ride with the pinnacle starting Friday.
I'll be there, loud and proud.
It's amazing that Groce's history at Illinois is changing before our very eyes. Not sure a great X's O's coach has a record like this:Here's an excerpt from an article I found online:
"He’s proven to be a subpar X’s and O’s coach. His in-game adjustments almost never work out. I can’t even keep track of the number of times I’ve seen him call a timeout when the game was getting away from Illinois and the team actually performed worse after the timeout.
There’s a specific play that’s burned into my memory from last season that is really indicative of the whole Underwood era for me. It was against Wisconsin at home, and the Illini were down by ten points as the game was starting to slip away from them. Underwood called a full timeout to try and stop the Badgers’ run. After a two minute break to draw up a set play, the Illini came out of the huddle and inbounded the ball. What happens next may or may not surprise you.
Turnover. Out of a timeout. I couldn’t believe it. The camera had barely switched back to the action on the court and the play that Underwood had just drawn up went to hell in two seconds."
Sounds like something we've seen posted on this board hundreds of times right? Well, here's the twist - see the word Underwood in orange in that excerpt? That wasn't in the original text. Replace it with "Groce" and you get the excerpt in its original form from January 2017
It's interesting how the mythologies around ex-coaches changes depending on the current coach. Because BU is a great recruiter and almost all criticisms of him have to do with x's and o's, the mythology around Groce becomes that he was a strong x's and o's coach that couldn't recruit. If BU was an x's and o's genius who had trouble recruiting, I am certain we'd remember Groce as a good recruiter and terrible x's and o's guy.
It’s time for Illini Basketball to make a coaching change
John Groce is likeable, but time has essentially run out for him in Champaign.www.thechampaignroom.com
| 2012–13 | Illinois | 23–13 | 8–10 | T–7th | NCAA Division I Round of 32 |
| 2013–14 | Illinois | 20–15 | 7–11 | T–8th | NIT Second Round |
| 2014–15 | Illinois | 19–14 | 9–9 | T–7th | NIT First Round |
| 2015–16 | Illinois | 15–19 | 5–13 | 12th | |
| 2016–17 | Illinois | 18–14 | 8–10 | 9th | NIT Quarterfinal |
What are the other options? come back to Illinois and coach Defense? ... probably not, but figured I would ask
Sounds like Weber overachieved if that is the case
It is not like Groce was competing against teams who did invest 15M in NIL. The coach salary landscape has changed a lot since 2011-2017. BU is the 14th highest paid coach and I think that is fair.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Well, Villanova is Catholic and not (Mainline) Protestant, so all good!
I like Valentine for Loyola but I don't think he's done anything to suggest he deserves a bigger job. His best team was the one he inherited from Moser and he hasn't made the tournament since. I would rather look at guys like Huss or Richey at that point.
I would put Moser over all those guys though and I wouldn't necessarily be happy seeing him in the Big10. He can coach, he knows the area, and I think he would do very well at Northwestern at least equivalent to the job Collins has done.
When Whitman is evaluating Underwood absolutely no aspect of it is comparing Underwood to Groce’s performance 10 years ago. Whitman is comparing Underwood to similar programs making similar basketball investments which are basically the top 15 programs in the country.
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foby
- Bonnaroo Land
That's some d*mn fine Sh*tposting there.
Devries certainly has a great resume but it looks like Bruce Weber to me. 20 year assistant. Success in the Valley. Then a power 5 job. I’m honestly surprised Indiana couldn’t get a coach with a FF on their resume like Beard/Stevens/Wright. But Kentucky couldn’t either. Neither could Louisville. The blue bloods of college basketball appear a thing of the past
I’m interested to see if Frazier/Hansberry/Harris all follow him to IU
I’m interested to see if Frazier/Hansberry/Harris all follow him to IU
Do those programs have the name of a coach who never made a championship game adorn their floor?
I don’t understand your point but yes. For instance, Purdue would be a comparable for Illinois and they play on Keady court and Keady never even made a Final Four.
Whitmans Sampler
- Eastern Iowa
I see where you’re coming from, but IMO taking this approach (year after year) introduces legitimate risk of falling behind the pack of upper-tier programs.
The playing field was risen, other programs have gone out and found very reputable assistants to fill these spots. Josh doesn’t strike as the guy to sit back and watch others gain a competitive advantage.
Also my post about Josh having a discussion with Brad is more about if we have donors willing to give Brad the funds to hire big time assistants but Brad wants to stay loyal to Hammer that is a problem. That was the down fall of Weber. Gunther went to him and told him to get rid of some of his assistants and hire new ones but Weber was to loyal to them and refused.
Its also fairly similar resume to Underwood only Brad jumped around more and his first head coaching job was at a smaller school.
Long time assistant, success at mid major, 1 year in Big 12 to Big10.
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