Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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OrangeBlue98
I’d like to find a job where I can be as bad as Zach Hamer is at his job and still keep it. That must be nice.
 
#77      
illini011
I have ZERO confidence in Hamer. It may look like Brad may be packing his bags this time next year.
 
#78      
BfosterL
If you look at NIL valuations of players, Illinois does not even have a top 100 player $. The math would be hard to add up that makes them a top 10.
 
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Illinicpa14
Indy Illini Fan said:
Simply not true but okay …
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Indy - There’s been a lot of talk (like Williard) that Big East teams will have more NIL in the future given they don’t have to support football programs in the either/or argument.

Do you see that argument being legit that will hurt the B10 and SEC specific to mens basketball?

Regardless of NIL would assume the P2 will still have much better Facilities, stadiums, exposure, etc to sell.
 
#80      
IlliniRunIn07
RayEliot said:
Totally agree. What I can’t understand…This isn’t Brad’s first rodeo so if something isn’t working, and it clearly wasn’t, why didn’t he say, screw this, we are doing something else?
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Also it does feel like Brad has shown he's not afraid to move on (both players and coaches) when he thinks there is a better opportunity out there, and this seems to be the most obvious one. Does he just have a blind spot related to Tyler (and Hamer by extension)?
 
#81      
gibb52
If you have to tell your coach how to run his program you have the wrong coach. e.g. Zook, Ron.
 
#82      
EyeoftheIllini
Second place is 1st loser said:
What are the expectations? I was expecting a full roster given commentary from Monday. Denzel was making a ton of visits in this very board.

I will say this and this is partially to defend Brad and to partially bring reality back to the minds of our angry villagers.

There was a lot of hot takes that Brad was a top 10 paid head coach and we had top 10 NIL money. Neither are true with the latter not being remotely true. It's how we ended up with the youngest roster in college basketball, with our top 3 players being young, international kids(Riley, Tomi and KJ). The fact that Brad glued that together last year and had us within a half of the Sweet 16.....not bad.

We get outspent, plain and simple. The expectations start with who's on our roster and our booms were false alarms. So, here we are again, losing the players on last year's roster, missing on our transfer targets and leaning into the Euro market.

As we sit here on Final Four Saturday.....what's the expectation?
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I’m trying to figure out how someone on an internet board saying a particular player is coming to Illinois and being wrong about it impacts expectations for a season. You think if we didn’t have insiders on the board, speculation or information that turned out not to pan out wouldn’t happen? Not sure why someone saying we’re in a good spot with a player is the cause of people jumping the gun and posting speculative starting lineups on here. I find those posts silly and skip right over them just as I skip over the posts on lineups using only the players currently on the roster, as if no other adds will be made.

I personally feel that the expectations some people have for Brad and team are a bit too high (call them the national champ or bust contingent). That said, I think Brad is entering the phase of his tenure at Illinois where he needs more top end results than he’s had. And I think to lay roster construction that you apparently don’t like at the alter of not enough NIL is a bit of a joke. You think Josh is paying Brad the money he is, having a pretty sizable AC salary pool and providing top facilities, but not finding a very competitive NIL pool for the program? I didn’t realize you held him in that low of esteem. Roster construction and retention is on Brad not on some insider posting GIFS.

I find posts like yours and one I saw recently about Hamer and the boards response to him insulting to me and a large portion of the board. Apparently a large number of us aren’t smart enough to form opinions or expectations for ourselves and turn that over to a small group of insiders. But evidently you and some others are smart enough to not fall victim to “Boom” GIFS and have your own opinions and expectations.

Overall, I’m happy with Brad’s record, but it is time he steps it up. He’s making decisions that don’t make a lot of sense to me, and I’d include Hamer in there. That’s fine, I’m not a coach, I don’t run a P5 basketball program, and I’m not privy to all the behind the scenes happenings. But he has to start getting more of these decisions right. And by that I don’t mean that I agree with them or that insiders do. I mean more consistent top end success. Elite Eight year was great. We need Brad to lead team to those types of years more consistently. I don’t want to see posts on here in 5 five years defending Brad cuz we’ve had one E8 finish in 7 years and a string of seasons of NCAAT appearances and early exits.

Disclosure: the opinions expressed in this post are mine alone. I did not consult any insiders or lsearch for recent GIFs to form this opinion.
 
#83      
Icy veins
I feel like I just want to disassociate from next year’s team if there aren’t changes to who’s running the defense and even offense. Just have no faith that we’ll get the most out of our talent with the current staff in their current roles. Hope I’m just being overdramatic 🤷‍♂️
 
#87      
Bioguy
Whitman needs to step up. Needs to tell Brad to fire/re-assign Hamer (talking to Brad about his son would probably be untenable). Think Whitman is treading lightly because he doesn’t want to get on Brad’s wrong side but from corporate point of view a leader has to step in that’s not micromanaging that’s leadership. If we yet again have another disappointing year with no changes that’s not only on Brad that’s on Whitman.
 
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IlliniReb
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#97      
JBfor3
If you are going to make a move, what is gained by waiting? I’d think with the portal it would be the sooner the better?
 
#100      
PepeSilvia
Mr. Roberts said:
What if the move is Sampson retiring? He will be 70 before the start of next season.
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I could potentially see Sampson riding into the sunset if he wins a title but Kellen Sampson already has a contract designating him the head coach in waiting when Kelvin retires.

I also wouldn't necessarily be surprised to see Self hang it up if he isn't fully invested anymore.

I don't really see Tang or anyone else getting fired this late in the cycle unless it's some type of for cause violation.
 
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