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What Bret is doing is just beyond mind-blowing. We needed a miracle to turn this program around and even then the stars would need to align and get a few breaks for it to be sustainable. And yet, all Bret and Whitman seem to do is deliver miracles. This is one of the greatest turnarounds I've ever seen in sports when one factors in the rock bottom depths we were at during the Beckman tenure.

I mean, even floating around the possibility of making the CFP this season and having sustainable success, is pretty much of par with telling me during most of my childhood that the Cubs would win the Series in my lifetime or telling me during the Dollar Bill Wirtz Blackhawks era that the Blackhawks would become a dynasty once his son takes over. It's just crazy to think about. Top 200 kids wanting to come here and play for us? Beating SEC teams in high end bowl games? Having a Top 10 preseason team? Beating Michigan? And this possibly becoming an annual thing? This is wildest dreams territory. So unreal you know it can't happen. And yet...

Just one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. And I'm here for it. What an unbelievable job Bret and Whitman have done.
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#530      
My take on Makovic, he was a solid coach produced technically good teams.

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I agree with this. Even misspelling his name. My recollection is he tended to rub people the wrong way sometimes. Maybe seemed kind of arrogant.
 
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#532      
Mike White brought in great QB's year after year. I will never forget Dave Wilson, down something like 42-3 at OSU at half, killing the second half and nearly pulling off the win. Bloody amazing. Would have been something if Mike White could have stayed for a much longer term.
I listened to it on the radio. Remember in particular Mike Martin's fumble. Still remains one of my all time favorite Illini football players.

The Buckeyes led the Big Ten in passing defense, giving up an average of just over 100 yards per game. But coming to town in game 9 was Illinois and their prolific passing attack. Mike White had taken over as head coach of the Illini after 3 disastrous years under former OSU player and Michigan assistant coach Gary Moeller. White had been national coach of the year in 1975 at California, and had served on the staff of the San Francisco 49ers for two years before taking the job at Illinois. He brought to the team a sophisticated passing attack led by junior college transfer Dave Wilson.

Wilson was a quarterback who threw the ball hard and with great accuracy. His skills were tailor-made for White's short passing game. Looking at the film of the OSU defense, and surveying his team's depleted corps of running backs, White decided he had no choice but to air it out against Ohio State. He told his players before the game to expect that they would throw 60-70 passes in the game. The way the game started, he would end up being forced to pass often in any event just to keep up with the OSU offense.

They just had a bad game, honestly.
Todd Bell and the secondary were burned by Wilson.
Behind the passing of Schlichter, the Buckeyes scored early and often on their way to a 28-0 lead. But with just over a minute remaining in the first half, Wilson connected with receiver Greg Dentino for a 24-yard touchdown pass to cut the lead to 28-7 at halftime. But OSU was not about to let up in the second half.

Beginning the 3rd quarter with the ball, the Buckeyes moved quickly down the field and Schlichter hit receiver Doug Donley with a 26-yard TD pass to increase their lead to 35-7. At this point, White decided that running was futile and he decided to throw on every play. They got the ball back and moved down the field swiftly, scoring on a 38-yard pass from Wilson to tight end Lee Boeke to cut the lead to 35-14.

In those days, it was not expected that teams could come back from so large of a deficit, and so Ohio State attempted to kill the clock with the running game and played a variation of a "prevent" defense to try to keep Illinois from scoring quickly. Neither was very effective on this day. OSU's Murray fumbled on their next possession, and the Illini quickly took advantage with another passing TD to cut the lead to 35-21.

After a forced punt, Illinois once again moved down the field in only 7 plays to score another TD on a 13-yard pass. Now it was 35-28 and OSU fans were getting restless. Illinois forced a punt on the next possession, but Dentino fumbled it away and the Buckeyes were in business. They scored quickly to up the lead to 42-28, but Wilson and the Illini were far from finished. He led them on an 83-yard march that culminated in a 2-yard scoring pass to running back Greg Foster that made the score 42-35.

Ohio State finally got a long, time-consuming 72-yard drive for a touchdown when Spencer scored from the 2 to increase the lead to 49-35, but there was still almost 11 minutes remaining in the game. On their next possession, Wilson connected with receiver Mike Martin on a 62-yard pass, but Martin fumbled on the play and OSU cornerback Ray Ellis recovered to stop the drive. Wilson drove them down deep into OSU territory on the next possession, but Buckeye safety Vince Skillings intercepted him in the end zone to end that threat. The Illini scored one more touchdown with 11 seconds left in the game, but it was too little and too late as Ohio State held on for a 49-42 victory.
 
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As an ex-Longhorn fan, I first viewed Machovic as the moron who build an offense around James Brown when he had Ricky Williams, Priest Holmes, and another NFL guy in Shon Johnson in the backfield.
I don’t know- in 6 years at Texas he won 3 conference titles, came in second twice and 4th once. We would love such a moron
 
#537      
I agree with this. Even misspelling his name. My recollection is he tended to rub people the wrong way sometimes. Maybe seemed kind of arrogant.
Yes, Mackovic was a winner for the most part as a coach, but he was fake, the total opposite of Mike White in personality. I’ve told this story before on IL, but it bears repeating in this thread. Mackovic was an absolutely cold and arrogant jerk. Because my husband’s dad (former Illini basketball player and good friend with Dike Eddleman) started the Rockford Area Illini Club, we knew everyone in the DIA. We took over running the RAIC and helped organize all of the Illini Coaches Caravans in Rockford. In his first year one day in May, Mackovic and Lou Henson were scheduled for a luncheon in DeKalb and a cocktail party in Rockford. They had a few hours in between to waste so they came to our house. As a good hostess, I found out what each coach liked to drink; John wanted fresh ice tea with lemon, and Lou would drink a beer. When I served him his tea, I asked Coach if he needed sugar, and he asked for Equal (which had just come out). All I had was Sweet-N-Low, and when he heard that, he rudely refused the tea and sat on the couch for two hours without speaking to us. Meanwhile, friendly and affable Lou was in the kitchen, drinking beer and telling stories with my husband, again the exact opposite of Mackovic. Later at the party, he sat at a table by himself talking with no one, but when it came time to speak, he had a transformation into an impressive, very good speaker. I’m sure he came across smooth as silk as a recruiter, but as a person, he was a distant, aloof, and unlikeable boor.
 
#538      
Completely disagree. He won with White’s talent and left as the cupboard was gettin bare.
Mmmm....not sure I agree. Tepper had some pretty talented teams, all of which were recruited by Mack. If he had stuck around, we likely win 7-9 games each year between '92 and '95
 
#539      
I listened to it on the radio. Remember in particular Mike Martin's fumble. Still remains one of my all time favorite Illini football players.

The Buckeyes led the Big Ten in passing defense, giving up an average of just over 100 yards per game. But coming to town in game 9 was Illinois and their prolific passing attack. Mike White had taken over as head coach of the Illini after 3 disastrous years under former OSU player and Michigan assistant coach Gary Moeller. White had been national coach of the year in 1975 at California, and had served on the staff of the San Francisco 49ers for two years before taking the job at Illinois. He brought to the team a sophisticated passing attack led by junior college transfer Dave Wilson.

Wilson was a quarterback who threw the ball hard and with great accuracy. His skills were tailor-made for White's short passing game. Looking at the film of the OSU defense, and surveying his team's depleted corps of running backs, White decided he had no choice but to air it out against Ohio State. He told his players before the game to expect that they would throw 60-70 passes in the game. The way the game started, he would end up being forced to pass often in any event just to keep up with the OSU offense.

They just had a bad game, honestly.
Todd Bell and the secondary were burned by Wilson.
Behind the passing of Schlichter, the Buckeyes scored early and often on their way to a 28-0 lead. But with just over a minute remaining in the first half, Wilson connected with receiver Greg Dentino for a 24-yard touchdown pass to cut the lead to 28-7 at halftime. But OSU was not about to let up in the second half.

Beginning the 3rd quarter with the ball, the Buckeyes moved quickly down the field and Schlichter hit receiver Doug Donley with a 26-yard TD pass to increase their lead to 35-7. At this point, White decided that running was futile and he decided to throw on every play. They got the ball back and moved down the field swiftly, scoring on a 38-yard pass from Wilson to tight end Lee Boeke to cut the lead to 35-14.

In those days, it was not expected that teams could come back from so large of a deficit, and so Ohio State attempted to kill the clock with the running game and played a variation of a "prevent" defense to try to keep Illinois from scoring quickly. Neither was very effective on this day. OSU's Murray fumbled on their next possession, and the Illini quickly took advantage with another passing TD to cut the lead to 35-21.

After a forced punt, Illinois once again moved down the field in only 7 plays to score another TD on a 13-yard pass. Now it was 35-28 and OSU fans were getting restless. Illinois forced a punt on the next possession, but Dentino fumbled it away and the Buckeyes were in business. They scored quickly to up the lead to 42-28, but Wilson and the Illini were far from finished. He led them on an 83-yard march that culminated in a 2-yard scoring pass to running back Greg Foster that made the score 42-35.

Ohio State finally got a long, time-consuming 72-yard drive for a touchdown when Spencer scored from the 2 to increase the lead to 49-35, but there was still almost 11 minutes remaining in the game. On their next possession, Wilson connected with receiver Mike Martin on a 62-yard pass, but Martin fumbled on the play and OSU cornerback Ray Ellis recovered to stop the drive. Wilson drove them down deep into OSU territory on the next possession, but Buckeye safety Vince Skillings intercepted him in the end zone to end that threat. The Illini scored one more touchdown with 11 seconds left in the game, but it was too little and too late as Ohio State held on for a 49-42 victory.
To continue this non-recruiting topic, I listened on the radio, sneaking snippets of the game during my brother-in-law's wedding. Retaliation for my marrying his sister on anOSU - michigan gameday earlier.
 
#540      
Yes, Mackovic was a winner for the most part as a coach, but he was fake, the total opposite of Mike White in personality. I’ve told this story before on IL, but it bears repeating in this thread. Mackovic was an absolutely cold and arrogant jerk. Because my husband’s dad (former Illini basketball player and good friend with Dike Eddleman) started the Rockford Area Illini Club, we knew everyone in the DIA. We took over running the RAIC and helped organize all of the Illini Coaches Caravans in Rockford. In his first year one day in May, Mackovic and Lou Henson were scheduled for a luncheon in DeKalb and a cocktail party in Rockford. They had a few hours in between to waste so they came to our house. As a good hostess, I found out what each coach liked to drink; John wanted fresh ice tea with lemon, and Lou would drink a beer. When I served him his tea, I asked Coach if he needed sugar, and he asked for Equal (which had just come out). All I had was Sweet-N-Low, and when he heard that, he rudely refused the tea and sat on the couch for two hours without speaking to us. Meanwhile, friendly and affable Lou was in the kitchen, drinking beer and telling stories with my husband, again the exact opposite of Mackovic. Later at the party, he sat at a table by himself talking with no one, but when it came time to speak, he had a transformation into an impressive, very good speaker. I’m sure he came across smooth as silk as a recruiter, but as a person, he was a distant, aloof, and unlikeable boor.
Forget who it was, but a long time Illini staff person was asked least favorite coach and player: Mackovic and Jeff George won.
 
#543      
Is the consensus that JC Anderson is the better TE between him and Sutter?

As always, I want the Peoria boy.
 
#544      
I don’t know- in 6 years at Texas he won 3 conference titles, came in second twice and 4th once. We would love such a moron
A bit misleading. It was a weak Big 12. Ond title was with a 4-3 record. He never finished top 10. Ranked just 3 times. At Texas.

He was fired for a good reason.
 
#546      
Ive got to sayvas an Illini fan this dramatic uptick is coming at an optimal time. For decades I've followed basketball recruiting for exactly this kind of news. But the evolution there has me caring not one bit about high school recruiting. It's essentially pointless now.

Here comes football to the rescue.
 
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