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Mr. Tibbs
SummerofGeorge said:
Make them employees. They generate tremendous revenue for their schools and should be compensated. A free education is a fringe benefit but no longer required to attend classes. The idea of a “student-athlete” would be optional. Have signed contracts and other guidelines in place similar to professional sports.
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I don’t doubt it’s coming to that , but for many of us over 50 yrs old, we are very reluctant to give up all the things that make college football and basketball different than minor league baseball .

I liked the differences in college football from the pros . They’re quickly eroding away .

things change . it’s not always better . it’s not always worse . it’s just different .
 
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SummerofGeorge
Mr. Tibbs said:
I don’t doubt it’s coming to that , but for many of us over 50 yrs old, we are very reluctant to give up all the things that make college football and basketball different than minor league baseball .

I liked the differences in college football from the pros . They’re quickly eroding away .

things change . it’s not always better . it’s not always worse . it’s just different .
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I’m in that club with you. It’s not what I would wish for but I hate the current state enough to think it is better than what is in place now. I also suspect there is very little oversight right now regarding who is attending classes and what their academic standing is so not sure we are not already on that road. I find it interesting how little we hear these days about eligibility issues with college athletes in general.
 
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The Galloping Ghost
Joel Goodson said:
Fox has crapped the bed, IMO. This Portnoy move is straight out of Idiocracy
https://twitter.com/x/status/1946292850523529583
https://twitter.com/x/status/1946294264553451711
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I don't know what the kids are into these days. Maybe it is a weird little sweaty 48-year-old who gets pizza thrown in his face surprisingly often, but I feel like they'd get higher ratings if they simply talked more ball. Stop focusing on whatever singular oxygen sucking subject is going on in college football, be it Coach Prime, Belichick, or some other horrible thing. Stop cheerleading individual leagues. Instead, act like your audience isn't full of complete idiots and give them actual information on your beloved, but complicated sport.
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Illini in Italy
Mr. Tibbs said:
I don’t doubt it’s coming to that , but for many of us over 50 yrs old, we are very reluctant to give up all the things that make college football and basketball different than minor league baseball .

I liked the differences in college football from the pros . They’re quickly eroding away .

things change . it’s not always better . it’s not always worse . it’s just different .
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We are witnessing live the slow death of what we have loved over the past 100+ plus years (well, none of us have witnessed all of it). I will not be surprised when a college president says "Enough", and pulls the plug on "college athletics". European universities don't offer much in the way of athletics compared to the US. When the $ equation flips far enough over towards the negative, someone is going to take their ball and go home. I'm afraid we're not too far from there now.
 
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Dkayak
Illini in Italy said:
We are witnessing live the slow death of what we have loved over the past 100+ plus years (well, none of us have witnessed all of it). I will not be surprised when a college president says "Enough", and pulls the plug on "college athletics". European universities don't offer much in the way of athletics compared to the US. When the $ equation flips far enough over towards the negative, someone is going to take their ball and go home. I'm afraid we're not too far from there now.
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The last remaining student athlete characteristic is limited years of eligibility. Once they’re employees, with any focus on academics fading toward zero, how does the NCAA win the inevitable arguments challenging eligibility limitations?

Why can’t employees who are still capable of performing the job sue for unlawful dismissal? It’s similar to age discrimination, firing an older, more expensive, more capable employee so you can replace him with a younger, cheaper, less capable employee.
 
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Illini in Italy
Dkayak said:
The last remaining student athlete characteristic is limited years of eligibility. Once they’re employees, with any focus on academics fading toward zero, how does the NCAA win the inevitable arguments challenging eligibility limitations?

Why can’t employees who are still capable of performing the job sue for unlawful dismissal? It’s similar to age discrimination, firing an older, more expensive, more capable employee so you can replace him with a younger, cheaper, less capable employee.
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This is what is happening .. . .

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#283      
HereSoIDontGetFined
This was all inevitable though. If you were going to make the sport fully amateur, then it needed to be that for everyone involved - coaches and administrators included. Yet for years, the highest paid state employee for 80% of the states was the head football coach at the flagship university. And they could just leave when they wanted to get paid elsewhere. It was complete nonsense.

Someone was always getting paid because of college athletics, and for that hundred years, that part was never equitable. So you either get rid of the pay altogether, or you make it equitable.

There's ways to make this better but going back isn't one of them.
 
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RabidDawgClassic
The Galloping Ghost said:
I don't know what the kids are into these days. Maybe it is a weird little sweaty 48-year-old who gets pizza thrown in his face surprisingly often, but I feel like they'd get higher ratings if they simply talked more ball. Stop focusing on whatever singular oxygen sucking subject is going on in college football, be it Coach Prime, Belichick, or some other horrible thing. Stop cheerleading individual leagues. Instead, act like your audience isn't full of complete idiots and give them actual information on your beloved, but complicated sport.
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There’s a reason I don’t watch sports programming outside of the games themselves and the B1G Network. I just can’t stand the stupidity. And this takes it to a whole new level.
 
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Bucktown
spotter said:
www.espn.com

Oregon's Dan Lanning: Playoff slate should 'mirror' other sports

Oregon coach Dan Lanning is advocating for college football to adopt an NFL-style schedule with limited open weeks, no long layoffs for playoff teams and a season that wraps on Jan. 1.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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Always playing on week zero and dropping the Thanksgiving weekend game would be good for a northern team on a semester system like Illinois. The conference championship would then likely be Thanksgiving weekend. A school like UCLA or Washington on the quarter system might have its first 4 or 5 games without students on campus.
 
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ptgrd23
Dan said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1948145916567056850
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B10 and SEC are competitors. Godzilla vs King Kong and all the other conferences are munchkins.

SEC is worried about B10 hold on major TV markets - LA, Chicago, New York and nationwide footprint will result in more TV revenue and eventually put SEC schools at competetive disadvantage. They are also worried that Michigan, Ohio State and Notre Dame (i know they are not in B10 yet) are flexing their $NIL and only Texas may be in same league.

B10 is worried that SEC has more good teams and may dominate CFP.

All other conferences are worried that football sucess will come down to TV revenue and $NIL to pay the best players and coaches leaving them to be like small market MLB teams with payrolls 1/2 of the big boys.
 
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Dkayak
ptgrd23 said:
B10 is worried that SEC has more good teams and may dominate CFP.
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Yet recent data suggest the opposite. Look at recent bowl games as well as the CFP for example.

SEC performance on the field just doesn’t live up to the mystique. Their fans really are passionate with long, deep traditions. However, in terms of results, the two conferences are comparably strong on the field whenever they meet head-to-head. Don’t confuse passion and performance. I assume B1G leadership sees this very clearly, although many B1G fans (and ESPN) may still see us as a weaker conference.
 
#295      
Dan
From an Illinois Football standpoint, the 4-4-2-2-1 system would be fun because even if just missing out on the B1G Championship game, finish 3-6 in the standings and you're still playing in early December for a chance to make the cfb playoff.
 
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the juiceman cometh
Dkayak said:
The last remaining student athlete characteristic is limited years of eligibility. Once they’re employees, with any focus on academics fading toward zero, how does the NCAA win the inevitable arguments challenging eligibility limitations?

Why can’t employees who are still capable of performing the job sue for unlawful dismissal? It’s similar to age discrimination, firing an older, more expensive, more capable employee so you can replace him with a younger, cheaper, less capable employee.
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Student status can still be a requirement of employment. RAs and TAs are legally considered employees at most universities. They are also students. RAs don't have to compete with guys who have 14 years of experience as a property manager for their jobs, because RAs are required to be students.

And eligibility requirements can be collectively bargained. The same reason the NBA can force kids to do a year of college or G-League or whatever before they can play in the NBA, or three years before they can play in the NFL. The student athletes form a union (as in many instances RAs and TAs have done to keep that parallel going) and bargain with the NCAA and Conferences over all the rules that govern the relationship, including eligibility. That's how other sports leagues are able to have the vast myriad of rules they have including how free agency and trades work, salary caps, suspensions/discipline, and yes, player eligibility (which in most instances means draft eligibility).
 
#297      
Bucktown
the juiceman cometh said:
Student status can still be a requirement of employment. RAs and TAs are legally considered employees at most universities. They are also students. RAs don't have to compete with guys who have 14 years of experience as a property manager for their jobs, because RAs are required to be students.

And eligibility requirements can be collectively bargained. The same reason the NBA can force kids to do a year of college or G-League or whatever before they can play in the NBA, or three years before they can play in the NFL. The student athletes form a union (as in many instances RAs and TAs have done to keep that parallel going) and bargain with the NCAA and Conferences over all the rules that govern the relationship, including eligibility. That's how other sports leagues are able to have the vast myriad of rules they have including how free agency and trades work, salary caps, suspensions/discipline, and yes, player eligibility (which in most instances means draft eligibility).
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Except if you don't want to join the union.
 
#300      
ptgrd23
Dkayak said:
Yet recent data suggest the opposite. Look at recent bowl games as well as the CFP for example.

SEC performance on the field just doesn’t live up to the mystique. Their fans really are passionate with long, deep traditions. However, in terms of results, the two conferences are comparably strong on the field whenever they meet head-to-head. Don’t confuse passion and performance. I assume B1G leadership sees this very clearly, although many B1G fans (and ESPN) may still see us as a weaker conference.
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Last 20 years -
-14 from SEC (counting Texas
-4 champs from B10 (counting USC)
-3 from ACC
 
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