Week 8 Polls - Illinois unranked in AP Poll

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#76      
I agree with posters that having this team unranked is a farce. We’ve played the 4th toughest schedule in the nation up to this point and are 5-2 with our only losses coming to the #1 and #3 teams in the country.

We have a ranked win at home, along with two double digit road wins against P4 opponents, one of which is a solid bowl team.
The polls are all about reputation. We don't have one - yet.

If a program like Michigan had the same season trajectory, they'd stay in the top 25. This is why I place very little weight on the polls. It's a beauty contest.
 
#78      
The rank at the time of game is usually how it's stated.

So, #19 Indiana beat #12 Illinois. If that makes sense. But it's still important to note how the teams are currently too.
In the record books, wins are typically stated by the the opponents ranking at the time of the game.

The CFP committee, on the hand, will be looking at the rankings (and metrics) of wins & losses at seasons end.
 
#80      
USC needs to get throttled by Notre Dame. USC can definitely beat Oregon. If SC winds up with 2 losses, they will make it in based on their pedigree even though we beat them. Oh and by the way anything can happen. Oregon overrated. P. State looking for another coach. A lot of P. State people want Cignetti. I don't think he ever leaves Indiana but what do I know.
 
#81      
USC needs to get throttled by Notre Dame. USC can definitely beat Oregon. If SC winds up with 2 losses, they will make it in based on their pedigree even though we beat them. Oh and by the way anything can happen. Oregon overrated. P. State looking for another coach. A lot of P. State people want Cignetti. I don't think he ever leaves Indiana but what do I know.
I'm not sure we want what will likely be our best win looking weak in the eyes of the committee.
 
#82      
USC needs to get throttled by Notre Dame. USC can definitely beat Oregon. If SC winds up with 2 losses, they will make it in based on their pedigree even though we beat them. Oh and by the way anything can happen. Oregon overrated. P. State looking for another coach. A lot of P. State people want Cignetti. I don't think he ever leaves Indiana but what do I know.

Id prefer USC lose a tough road game in conference than throttled by ND.
 
#83      
You simply cannot lose to a 3-3 team and expect to be ranked #6 or be 4-2 with a loss to a 2-4 team and be ranked #21
You can be ranked #21 when you lose to the #1 team by 7 on the road and beat #6 by 17.

Bama I could see being a bit over ranked because FSU stinks but they have also won 3 straight games vs top 20 including 2 on the road
 
#86      
You simply cannot lose to a 3-3 team and expect to be ranked #6 or be 4-2 with a loss to a 2-4 team and be ranked #21
Of course you can. Bama has won 5 straight including 3 straight ranked wins(2 on the road to undefeated teams). Texas just handled the #6 team in the country. They have the results and momentum to justify where they're at.
 
#87      
Genuinely confused at why so many people think a 10-2 USC should be ahead of a 10-2 Illinois, despite Illinois winning head to head.

I’d honestly prefer USC to go 10-2 to have a marquee win. If those are the two 10 win big ten teams, I just don’t know how/why the committee overlooks head to head.
There's more chance a 10-2 ND is ahead of a 10-2 Illinois than a 10-2 USC being ahead of a 10-2 Illinois. We should want USC to win that game.
 
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#88      
It feels like AP has consistently under ranked big 10 teams.

5-1 Washington is currently unranked. I don’t see how they aren’t somewhere in the 18-23 range. Which then if they were to beat Michigan would give you guys a pretty highly ranked road matchup the following week.

Feels like one loss SEC teams always get the benefit of the doubt which then inflates their SOS
 
#89      
There's more chance a 10-2 ND is ahead of a 10-2 Illinois than a 10-2 USC being ahead of a 10-2 Illinois. We should want USC to win that game.
Exactly correct. A 10-2 ND will be selected over a 10-2 Illini team 100% of the time. They would be on 10 game winning streak and two losses by a combined 4 points to elite teams.

Illini would be on five game winning streak but two really ugly margin of defeat losses (albeit against elite teams).

Reality is that the Illini will struggle to get in over other 2 loss teams. The hope will have to be a soft bottom end of the bubble with us competing with 3 loss teams or pencil thin 2 loss teams.

From now on, we must simply win!
 
#90      
On ND, they are linked to Miami and A&M. Should *both* those teams stumble (think 9-3, or 8-4), as is historically common with both programs, ND will get rightfully blocked from moving up. A home win against USC, and a 10 game winning streak would be notable, but not enough to get them in, in my view if that exact situation plays out.

If you can't stand ND, you're not rooting for them to lose, as much as you're rooting for Miami and A&M to crap the bed.

For Illinois, you want USC to beat the ever living tar out of ND to give them their third loss, and to make the USC win look better.
 
#91      
It’s crazy to think we even have to say a 8-4 or 9-3 season here would “still be successful”. It would be one of the greatest back to back years EVER
It hasn't happened in the last 30 years, has it?
 
#92      
Another data point that shows we should absolutely be ranked this week:

ESPN’s Strength Of Record. This is a resume metric that rates each team on how you have performed vs how an average team would have performed given your same schedule. It’s an advanced stat that also takes into account wins & losses.

We’re ranked #13 in this metric:

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We are 13 spots lower in the AP poll than the we are in Strength of Record. This is the largest gap of any team in the country. The second largest I could find was BYU at -6.

Some other notables:

- Notre Dame is #28 (+15)
- Texas is #30 (+9)
- Virginia is #29 (+11)

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Using Texas as an example, we have a better resume so far and it’s not particularly close. Using ESPN’s FPI metric (which at this point in the season is pretty similar to all of those others), Texas has beat one P4 team all season, #15 Oklahoma. With their two losses coming against #1 Ohio St and #29 Florida.

We have 3 P4 wins (#9 USC, @ #33 Duke, @ #74 Purdue) and our two losses have come against #1 Ohio St and #2 Indiana.

Our best win is better than their best win. Our second best win is better than their second best win. And second loss is better than their second loss.

Hence, we’re 13 in the resume metric and they’re 30.
 
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Another data point that shows we should absolutely be ranked this week:

ESPN’s Strength Of Record. This is a resume metric that rates each team on how you have performed vs how an average team would have performed given your same schedule. It’s an advanced stat that also takes into account wins & losses.

We’re ranked #13 in this metric:

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We are 13 spots lower in the AP poll than the we are in Strength of Record. This is the largest gap of any team in the country. The second largest I could find was BYU at -6.

Some other notables:

- Notre Dame is #28 (+15)
- Texas is #30 (+9)
- Virginia is #29 (+11)

Source:


Using Texas as an example, we have a better resume so far and it’s not particularly close. Using ESPN’s FPI metric (which at this point in the season is pretty similar to all of those others), Texas has beat one P4 team all season, #15 Oklahoma. With their two losses coming against #1 Ohio St and #29 Florida.

We have 3 P4 wins (#9 USC, @ #33 Duke, @ #74 Purdue) and our two losses have come against #1 Ohio St and #2 Indiana.

Our best win is better than their best win. Our second best win is better than their second best win. And second loss is better than their second loss.

Hence, we’re 13 in the resume metric and they’re 30.
You are trying to fit the data too perfectly to serve your purpose. If I am reading the footnotes correctly, SOR is simply measuring an average top 25 team would have similar or better record than what Illlini have (not necessarily taking into effect point differential or other meaningful stats).

The other metrics in what you shared has the Illini with an FPI ranking of 28 (their actual power index) and efficiency ranking of 20. What is holding Illinois back is the actual performance against IU and OSU. There is simply no getting around the extent of margin of defeats. Other top 25 opponents would have likely played IU and OSU closer than we did based on their implied metrics (even if they would have still ultimately lost).

Taking everything into account, it would appear that Illinois is ranked close to appropriately at 25 Coaches/26 AP. It is not as much a snub as you are implying.
 
#96      
I am mixed on this? There will be one “non power 4” team in the CFP, and it probably will be ND? The key for us to be ahead of USC, and I am afraid that will take them having 3 losses. I don’t see us as a 2 loss team ahead of SC even though we beat them.

4 teams from the BIG will be in i think almost 100%, so that is tO$U, (IU, Oregon and (UI, USC, scUM), we have to be ahead of USC and scUM, scUM will end up with more than 2 losses so they really are out. USC on the other hand is for sure in our way?
 
#97      
Cignetti’s instant success there is unprecedented . yea, not possible without transfer portal and NIL , big still unbelievable considering IU past and all the other competition for decent players

I really can’t get my arms around his success .
That is a textbook example of how to build a successful program in a hurry.
 
#99      
Well only 2 teams with 2 losses are ranked so I get it. However, our two losses are to two top 5 teams. Meaning if we keep winning we’ll rise back up quickly. MUST BEAT WASHINGTON
Agree - beat Washington as our 2nd "marquee" win, then win by 10+ to the remaining teams on the schedule and see what happens.
 
#100      
Well only 2 teams with 2 losses are ranked so I get it. However, our two losses are to two top 5 teams. Meaning if we keep winning we’ll rise back up quickly. MUST BEAT WASHINGTON
We might even be ranked by the time that Washington game happens, seeing as we are first one out. ND and USC face each other. Loser of that likely drops out and we could move ahead of them. Nebraska could lose @ Minnesota. Utah is likely to lose @BYU. I wouldn't put it past this Texas team to follow up their big win with a confounding loss @Kentucky. Would a Vanderbilt loss to LSU put them below us? Probably not, but maybe? Memphis will eventually lose and get dropped from the rankings like a hot potato. Is this the week?

There's even a chance both Washington and us are ranked for that matchup, if Washington beats Michigan.
 
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