Coaching Carousel (Football)

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Oracle21
therealmiket86 said:
Ponds and Fisher we both all Americans last year. I’m not saying he wouldn’t win at penn state but I don’t see him bringing talent again
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He got Pat Coogan to leave Notre Dame’s line just this past off season to go to IU. He got Mendoza to jump to IU. Acquiring talent to go anywhere has never been as easy as it is now with the collegiate athlete salary generation.

And if you have a big spender that knows who to go get, you can be the Dodgers of college football if you got competent people running the ship.

It’s clear Cignetti has some dudes on his team that he’s coached up. He can get those dudes anywhere and if he’s got a ton of money behind him it’s another Saban at Bama situation. That said I doubt he’s even interested in PSU
 
#552      
Oracle21
TentakilRex said:
1. Gut feeling, there will be a surprisingly high amount of carnage this coaching carousel. There is at least one more firing among the Texas schools, a second firing among the Carolinas, another two or three Big Ten firings, and the SEC is always crazy from Kelly to Venables. Heck Fickell and Napier have been dead men walking since early last month.
2. I think this might be the year that the likes of Campbell, Leipold, and/or Kiffin goes.
3. I think Lunney will get a HC job this season, especially if Jeff Traylor goes.
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With the players on salary and free agency every year, I think you’ll see college football move to more of an NFL model where coaches get at most 3 years to show something then it’s out the door.

In leagues where the players get paid, there’s always lots of coaching turnover (NFL coaches, NBA coaches, MLB managers). It’ll be the same for college eventually with player salaries being more important than coaching salaries
 
#554      
lstewart53x3
Oracle21 said:
With the players on salary and free agency every year, I think you’ll see college football move to more of an NFL model where coaches get at most 3 years to show something then it’s out the door.

In leagues where the players get paid, there’s always lots of coaching turnover (NFL coaches, NBA coaches, MLB managers). It’ll be the same for college eventually with player salaries being more important than coaching salaries
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The big thing too is the transfer portal. Allows a new coach to build a team in 2-3 years, instead of 5 like it used to be,
 
#558      
jamarvelous31
Oracle21 said:
They already raised his buyout last season. It’s one of the highest in the country. It’s $57 million the 8th highest in college football. I think he’s pretty locked in at Indiana unless some major major power has $100 million in the coffers

I don’t think Penn State is a glamour job anymore. Not sure who they get but I doubt it’s anyone that is that great


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Being the 4th best job in the B10 is still really good...
 
#559      
fuddrules
Oracle21 said:
In leagues where the players get paid, there’s always lots of coaching turnover (NFL coaches, NBA coaches, MLB managers).
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The reshuffling or recycling of coaches is coming to college football moreso than ever.
 
#560      
fuddrules
Mr. Tibbs said:
if Rhule ends up at PSU
does Nebby get Campbell ?
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If that happens, Nebraska could end up on top of the reshuffle. It's more likely than not, IMO, that PSU takes a step back. I don't see a step up given their OC and DC were top notch.

With everything Rhule has at Nebraska, he still hasn't passed Illinois.

Off topic at little, it's crazy that Franklin is getting $20k/day to not coach. $20k/day.
 
#561      
GMAN55
between buying players and buying coaches, as much as I love college football, It will be unwatchable in a few years. No one has to develope talent in the big leagues.
 
#563      
Indy Illini Fan
fuddrules said:
If that happens, Nebraska could end up on top of the reshuffle. It's more likely than not, IMO, that PSU takes a step back. I don't see a step up given their OC and DC were top notch.

With everything Rhule has at Nebraska, he still hasn't passed Illinois.

Off topic at little, it's crazy that Franklin is getting $20k/day to not coach. $20k/day.
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Actually it’s $21,917 per day … $913 per hour … $15 per minute … UNTIL 2031 !!!!!!!! 🤯
 
#564      
Indy Illini Fan
Chuck Nuggets said:
Personally, I see the NFL swooping in to take Cignetti away from college football.
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Cig wants to take Indiana and force it down people’s throats … He did it at Indiana … They said it couldn’t be done …

In my limited interaction with him … That’s what I’ve gathered … NFL doesn’t interest him much …

I really think that’s his attitude is show the world it can be done at a non blue blood and personally I freaking love it … It’s a similar attitude that Bret has …
 
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therealmiket86
Indy Illini Fan said:
Cig wants to take Indiana and force it down people’s throats … He did it at Indiana … They said it couldn’t be done …

In my limited interaction with him … That’s what I’ve gathered … NFL doesn’t interest him much …

I really think that’s his attitude is show the world it can be done at a non blue blood and personally I freaking love it … It’s a similar attitude that Bret has …
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I think he’s perfect for the college game. He’s a hard nose coach and his players buy in. I couldn’t believe how bad they beat us up physically when we played them. From the first snap they came out swinging.
 
#567      
Indy Illini Fan
therealmiket86 said:
I think he’s perfect for the college game. He’s a hard nose coach and his players buy in. I couldn’t believe how bad they beat us up physically when we played them. From the first snap they came out swinging.
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His players 100% take on his mentality … It’s pretty incredible … Especially in today’s world of portal and NIL …
 
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mattcoldagelli
Indy Illini Fan said:
Cig wants to take Indiana and force it down people’s throats … He did it at Indiana … They said it couldn’t be done …

In my limited interaction with him … That’s what I’ve gathered … NFL doesn’t interest him much …

I really think that’s his attitude is show the world it can be done at a non blue blood and personally I freaking love it … It’s a similar attitude that Bret has …
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I don’t know why more people don’t get this read on him.

It feels like his motivation is not to be offered a traditional CFB power job. It’s to be offered one and to be able to (accurately) say “I’m already better than you, and I built it myself”
 
#571      
Curbelo Fanboy
Indy Illini Fan said:
Bret doesn’t like losing … Immediate post game thoughts and comments I don’t always read too much into …
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I agree with this. I took his postgame comments as much an indictment of himself as the offensive gameplan.

Pregame, I personally thought that going slow down & trying to establish the run was the best way to go as it would limit the exposure of our defense. As the game developed, that thought was out the window cause the offense was kinda bad & mistake riddled in the first half & the D was way better than I expected.
If nothing else, Bret seems to be very honest & forthcoming in these postgame pressers. Both good & bad.

I also appreciated his comments to the effect of "we've made a lot of progress here & he is proud of that but today was a reminder we have a long way to go to get where we want". I've felt over the years some of our coaches aside from having other weaknesses never truly believed they could take this thing to a high level nor set that expectation for themselves & the program.

Bret clearly thinks he can do it & I have no doubt that he is doing everything he can to get us to a higher level both in the short term game to game grind & in the long term building a consistent winning program perspective. He sure seems sincere that he is in here for the long haul. Part of that is not being afraid to demand a higher level of excellence instead of just being satisfied with a competitive effort.

He knows what needs to be done. Just need some more studs on the field. We won't get Ohio State level talent but if he can get a few first round pick type of guys throughout the roster, we will be able to go with anyone.
 
#572      
Gbop
Indy Illini Fan said:
Cig wants to take Indiana and force it down people’s throats … He did it at Indiana … They said it couldn’t be done …

In my limited interaction with him … That’s what I’ve gathered … NFL doesn’t interest him much …

I really think that’s his attitude is show the world it can be done at a non blue blood and personally I freaking love it … It’s a similar attitude that Bret has …
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@Indy Illini Fan, how has Cignetti done this, what secret sauce has he bottled to be such a good coach and is his method sustainable at Indiana. I have to admit that I thought it was all smoke and mirrors up til now. He is th real deal as far as I can see.
 
#573      
therealmiket86
Curbelo Fanboy said:
I agree with this. I took his postgame comments as much an indictment of himself as the offensive gameplan.

Pregame, I personally thought that going slow down & trying to establish the run was the best way to go as it would limit the exposure of our defense. As the game developed, that thought was out the window cause the offense was kinda bad & mistake riddled in the first half & the D was way better than I expected.
If nothing else, Bret seems to be very honest & forthcoming in these postgame pressers. Both good & bad.

I also appreciated his comments to the effect of "we've made a lot of progress here & he is proud of that but today was a reminder we have a long way to go to get where we want". I've felt over the years some of our coaches aside from having other weaknesses never truly believed they could take this thing to a high level nor set that expectation for themselves & the program.

Bret clearly thinks he can do it & I have no doubt that he is doing everything he can to get us to a higher level both in the short term game to game grind & in the long term building a consistent winning program perspective. He sure seems sincere that he is in here for the long haul. Part of that is not being afraid to demand a higher level of excellence instead of just being satisfied with a competitive effort.

He knows what needs to be done. Just need some more studs on the field. We won't get Ohio State level talent but if he can get a few first round pick type of guys throughout the roster, we will be able to go with anyone.
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Regardless of the talent level we can’t make the mistakes we made. We really gave the defense no chance between the turnovers and downed punt. The average starting position for Ohio state was on their 45. You don’t beat many teams doing that.
 
#574      
the juiceman cometh
mattcoldagelli said:
I don’t know why more people don’t get this read on him.

It feels like his motivation is not to be offered a traditional CFB power job. It’s to be offered one and to be able to (accurately) say “I’m already better than you, and I built it myself”
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Yeah that's the thing. What can Penn St. actually offer him? He already has a national championship contender at Indiana - he doesn't need the Penn St. brand name for that. The last two guys I can think of who had this much success at a place and left thinking they could win more easily somewhere else were DeBoer and Kelly. Neither has gotten as close as they did with Washington or ND.

Meanwhile Penn St. already has a Joe Paterno, and Alabama already has a Bear Bryant and a Nick Saban. Cignetti can be Indiana's Paterno/Bryant. That's what Indiana can offer him that Penn St. can't.
 
#575      
Curbelo Fanboy
therealmiket86 said:
Regardless of the talent level we can’t make the mistakes we made. We really gave the defense no chance between the turnovers and downed punt. The average starting position for Ohio state was on their 45. You don’t beat many teams doing that.
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Oh I agree. However, the more raw talent you have allows you a better chance to overcome a few mistakes. We just aren't at that stage. We are capable of losing to some "bad" teams if we make mistakes. We don't have the overall talent to overcome shoot yourself in the foot kind of moments. Ohio State or a similar outfit could fumble 5 times & still beat Northwestern by 14. That's the big difference.
 
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