Coaching Carousel (Football)

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Point-Illinois
STLini25 said:
When’s the last time a BT or SEC coach left on their free will for any non BT or SEC job?

The divide between BT and SEC jobs and not BT and SEC jobs is huge.
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Jeff Brohm did it a little over 2 seasons ago.

End of the 22-23 season after going 8-5, winning the B1G West (RIP), and making the B1G title game. This was our Reliaquest Bowl year for reference.

He then went to Louisville.

Thats the last one I remember.
 
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the juiceman cometh
Mr. Tibbs said:
I kinda like Deion as an “entertainimer” & what he brings to the table from a talking head standpoint , but I am not in any way sold in him as a coach . FSU can do better .
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FSU can probably do better, but given that a lot of people expected the wheels to fall off this season with Shadeur and Hunter gone, Deion has Colorado playing decent football. Played BYU close and beat a ranked Iowa St. team. Everyone keeps expecting the Deion Sanders experiment to descend into chaos and it keeps not happening. Considering what he inherited, the guy deserves credit. These were the records of the five Colorado HCs preceding Deion:

Karl Dorrell: 8-15 (.348)
Mel Tucker: 5-7 (.417)
Mike MacIntyre: 30-44 (.405)
Jon Embree: 4-21 (.160)
Dan Hawkins: 16-33 (.327)

TOTAL: 63-120 (.344)

That's truly awful. Over the 17 year span that represents, that averages out to 4 wins a season. They had exactly one full length winning season (plus 4-2 covid year) and made 3 bowl games (2 if you don't include the one in that Covid year) in that entire 17-year span. Just think about that - that's the same number Bowl games Zook made, by himself, in 1/3 the time. The fortunes of that program have so clearly improved, based on what Deion has done. I really don't understand how a coach that is so clearly competent gets casually dismissed so pervasively.
 
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OrangeBlue98
the juiceman cometh said:
FSU can probably do better, but given that a lot of people expected the wheels to fall off this season with Shadeur and Hunter gone, Deion has Colorado playing decent football. Played BYU close and beat a ranked Iowa St. team. Everyone keeps expecting the Deion Sanders experiment to descend into chaos and it keeps not happening. Considering what he inherited, the guy deserves credit. These were the records of the five Colorado HCs preceding Deion:

Karl Dorrell: 8-15 (.348)
Mel Tucker: 5-7 (.417)
Mike MacIntyre: 30-44 (.405)
Jon Embree: 4-21 (.160)
Dan Hawkins: 16-33 (.327)

TOTAL: 63-120 (.344)

That's truly awful. Over the 17 year span that represents, that averages out to 4 wins a season. They had exactly one full length winning season (plus 4-2 covid year) and made 3 bowl games (2 if you don't include the one in that Covid year) in that entire 17-year span. Just think about that - that's the same number Bowl games Zook made, by himself, in 1/3 the time. The fortunes of that program have so clearly improved, based on what Deion has done. I really don't understand how a coach that is so clearly competent gets casually dismissed so pervasively.
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Dan Hawkins is a name I have not heard in a long, long time.

He was Tim Beckman before Tim Beckman, with Chris Peterson playing the Matt Campbell role even better than Campbell played it.
 
#919      
TentakilRex
the juiceman cometh said:
And how'd that work out? That was a bad career move and I'm sure even Bielema would admit as much. Here are Arkansas's recruiting class rankings within the SEC, per 247, for this cycle and the last several:

2026: #16 (out of 16)
2025: #15 (out of 16)
2024: #15 (out of 16)
2023: #9 (out of 14)
2022 #13 (out of 14)
2021: #9 (/14)
2020: #11 (/14)
2019: #10 (/14)

And they aren't doing much better in the portal either. If these resources aren't getting you recruits, what the heck are they good for?
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I can see your point. I personally believe that I would take the chance with a incompetent program with resources in Arkansas than previously competent one that is cheap in Wisconsin. But I get your view with Arkansas being Arte Moreno's Angels.
 
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TentakilRex
#923      
Iamgroot
Mr. Tibbs said:
he’s someone Wiscy would hire if they can Fickell
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I think they'd like to hire Kelly if they got rid of fickell but I think it'd likely shake out more likely he would end up at Florida or Penn state especially with Wisconsin nil budget supposedly one of the lowest in the conference
 
#924      
Iamgroot
STLini25 said:
There are 35 SEC and BT jobs plus ND. Those are the best 35 jobs. Vandy is definitely top 30 job.

Every school not in BT and SEC has significant risk.
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I think you'd have to consider Texas tech and byu and possibly Utah in the mix for top 30 job with there nil budgets and have a better history then Vanderbilt as well or a fr least recently
 
#925      
STLini25
Iamgroot said:
I think you'd have to consider Texas tech and byu and possibly Utah in the mix for top 30 job with there nil budgets and have a better history then Vanderbilt as well or a fr least recently
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I agree those are good jobs. My main point is BT/SEC jobs are a different level. BT/SEC are cherry picking another 6ish of the best jobs in the next couple years so that’s 41 schools in the BT/SEC and ND and all of the power and most of the money. Non BT/SEC schools are not in a good spot and are in a worse spot in 2030.

The Athletic this week ranked Vandy as 10th best job in the SEC. That means they are inside the Top 20 by their rankings. Safely inside top 30 nationally. My point wasn’t to quibble where but to point out it’s a great job in modern football.
 
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