CFP & Bowl Games

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fatt lacosse
miami jumping notre dame despite neither team playing a game is ultimate proof that any pre-selection edition of the CFP rankings should be considered "reference-only"

the CFP committee has now opened the door to 3-loss teams moving forward. if alabama can't be punished for losing to georgia, then they can't be rewarded for beating them either (since they lose badly on aggregate score of the two games)

someone needs to take care of business and stop alabama from winning a title that's somehow even less legitimate than their 2011 and 2017 titles.

it'll probably be the team i've said was the best in america since the events of 9/20
 
#27      
RabidDawgClassic
Ander1345 said:
Yeah, absolute pick me mentality from Notre Dame after ACC compromised helping them fill out their FB schedule every year.

Bite the hand that feeds.
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"We were mystified by the actions of the conference to attack their biggest business partner in football and a member of their conference in 24 of our other sports. ... They have certainly done permanent damage to the relationship between the conference and Notre Dame."

The bold part is the key here. You want a conference to have your back? Then join a conference.
 
#28      
Guest
RabidDawgClassic said:
Half and half. Obviously Notre Dame is good year in and year out, but teams such as Nebraska and USC, both of whom whose fan bases thought they’d come in and dominate the B1G, have learned the hard way that there are very few gimmes on the conference schedule.
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Joe Paterno said something similar when PSU joined the Big Ten. Of course, PSU has had more success than Nebraska or USC, but they have hardly dominated as Joe said they would.
 
#30      
champaignchris
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:
Lol they absolutely are, especially Texas. The controversy isn’t ND’s tantrums… it’s that they were ahead of Alabama, then mysteriously dropped below them last week after Bama’s unconvincing win vs Auburn. Then Bama stayed above them despite getting blown out. AND THEN Miami jumping them from behind this week. ALL OF THIS while they were beating the snot out of teams. Pretty fair argument if you ask me.
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There’s no real argument that ND belonged in the top 7. Of the about 8 schools in the next tier of teams, the committee picked Oklahoma, Alabama and Miami over Notre Dame, BYU, Texas, Vandy and Utah.

The cutoff line is somewhere and they’ll always be arguments about teams right on the line. Last year it was Alabama and Miami saying they should have been in over SMU. Next year it will be someone else.

This is basically the same as arguing about whether a team should have gotten a 10 or 11 seed in the basketball tournament instead of being left out.
 
#31      
Pikeillinifan
the juiceman cometh said:
I know there's a lot of (completely understandable) anti-ND sentiment on this board, but let's not kid ourselves, both the Big 10 and SEC would take ND in a heartbeat. Immediately. They'd re-do next season's schedule to fit them in, if necessary.
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It would be great to get ND (and FSU) in the B1G in the long run and for media $. Would make it even tougher for us, but nothing is going to get easier for us regardless - and we have the right leaders in place to get us there.
 
#32      
Pikeillinifan
RabidDawgClassic said:
Notre Dame was a perfect fit for the B1G back when the conference was Midwestern-based. Geographically, its location was perfect and certain rivalries had already been established. But Notre Dame saw itself as a national brand and preferred independence. And that’s all well and good as it has mostly worked out for them.

But now, at a time where it appears the Irish might need a conference affiliation in the new CFP era, the major conferences are also national brands. Whereas ND might’ve been a perfect fit 10-15 years ago, the B1G now has coast-to-coast reach. Other than being recognizable brand, the Irish likely wouldn’t add to the television markets that say, a Colorado or a Texas Tech — regions with no B1G presence — might desire. I’m not saying the B1G wouldn’t necessarily be interested in adding Notre Dame, just that there are more factors at play now than there were before the arrival of the B1G Network.
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I still think the B1G would love ND, but this situation will most likely cause ND to dig their heels in on the whole 'independant football' thing at least for a couple years. But I do think Florida, Texas and even Colorado/Arizona markets have to get a serious look if the B1G expands more.

I bet that they will do everything they can to stay independent in the short term, and when they eventually are pushed to join a conference, they will want to control the narrative and make it seem like it'll be too good a deal to pass up, or however they will spin it.

Looking at their TV viewership numbers, they aren't great, and at some point, NBC might wonder if they are worth it, especially as we see their schedule get watered down more and more.
 
#33      
ptgrd23
With CFP slot at risk not sure why USC, Michigan will see $$$ benefit of putting ND on schedule. 3 cupcakes and 9 conference games will be new norm unless they change selection criteria, expand, or guarantee big 10 and SEC 4 slots, ACC 2 slots and B12 2 slots.
 
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the juiceman cometh
ptgrd23 said:
With CFP slot at risk not sure why USC, Michigan will see $$$ benefit of putting ND on schedule. 3 cupcakes and 9 conference games will be new norm unless they change selection criteria, expand, or guarantee big 10 and SEC 4 slots, ACC 2 slots and B12 2 slots.
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From a $$$ analysis it's pure benefit. If USC or Michigan make the playoff, that money is distributed to the other conference teams. If ND makes it and Big Ten loses a slot, that hurts all Big Ten teams. If ND is in Big Ten and makes it, they split that money with all Big Ten teams.

Scenario 1: Last playoff spot to UM over ND - UM payout split between all Big Ten programs.

Scenario 2: Last playoff spot to ND over UM (ND independent) - All that money to ND, none to Big 10

Scenario 3: Last playoff spot to ND over UM (ND in Big 10) - ND payout split between all Big Ten programs.

Plus the big prize is media deal $$$ and ND absolutely helps in that.
 
#37      
Illini in Italy
the juiceman cometh said:
I know there's a lot of (completely understandable) anti-ND sentiment on this board, but let's not kid ourselves, both the Big 10 and SEC would take ND in a heartbeat. Immediately. They'd re-do next season's schedule to fit them in, if necessary.
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Maybe so, but in my little mind where everyone thinks like I do and likes me, they'll always be arrogant ticks. That's not a type, just an anti suspension/ban accommodation.
 
#38      
wma500
"The Leprechaun vs. The Mouse"

- Andy Staples, today.
 
#40      
fatt lacosse
Over the last three years I've suddenly seen an enormous amount of "we need to get rid of the bowls they're going away anyway we shouldn't do them anymore" discourse

INCIDENTALLY, we had just begun an almost-unprecedented run of 3 bowls in 4 years when that started.

Okay, well maybe I think we need to do away with national championships and only have bowl games for 7-10 win teams!
 
#41      
Calvin
Pikeillinifan said:
I'm just happy ND got left out, started crying about it, and then handled it about as poorly as you'd expect them to.
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I get the dislike of them being independent, but I like their coach. The committee handled this about as transparently as one could imagine. And by transparent, I mean pacifying the SEC in a way that everyone could see was rigged.
 
#42      
Calvin
fatt lacosse said:
Over the last three years I've suddenly seen an enormous amount of "we need to get rid of the bowls they're going away anyway we shouldn't do them anymore" discourse

INCIDENTALLY, we had just begun an almost-unprecedented run of 3 bowls in 4 years when that started.

Okay, well maybe I think we need to do away with national championships and only have bowl games for 7-10 win teams!
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I don't see any chance of bowl games going away. They had gotten out of hand and needed to be pruned.
We have the NIT in bball.
We'll have bowl games as long as the playoff doesn't go to a huge number.
 
#43      
the juiceman cometh
Calvin said:
I get the dislike of them being independent, but I like their coach. The committee handled this about as transparently as one could imagine. And by transparent, I mean pacifying the SEC in a way that everyone could see was rigged.
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I completely understand the dislike of their being independent and the kind of snobbery that comes along with it.

But one thing I like about college football is all the kind of weird little quirks like rivals having strange trophies for what would normally just be a run-of-the-mill regular season game, and teams from different conferences that always schedule each other due to some history or rivalry (like us and Mizzou), and of course dozens of school specific traditions and whatnot. For better or worse, ND being independent is one of those quirks (And yes, so is their snobbishness about it! College Football needs its heels too!) and I worry that the same corporatization that is about to stamp that quirk out is going to eventually come for all these other quirks too.
 
#45      
EyeoftheIllini
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:
Lol they absolutely are, especially Texas. The controversy isn’t ND’s tantrums… it’s that they were ahead of Alabama, then mysteriously dropped below them last week after Bama’s unconvincing win vs Auburn. Then Bama stayed above them despite getting blown out. AND THEN Miami jumping them from behind this week. ALL OF THIS while they were beating the snot out of teams. Pretty fair argument if you ask me.
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I agree changing the positions of those teams when they did made little sense. However, I think they got it right and the original positions didn’t make sense. All three teams were 10-2. ND was 0-2 against Sagarin top 10 teams and 2-2 against Sagarin top 30 teams. Miami was 1-0 and 2-2 respectively, with that top 10 win being against Notre Dame. And Alabama was 1-1 and 7-2. Just don’t see how ND was ever ranked ahead of those two teams with their weak schedule and having lost to one of them.

I’m in the “don’t think you can penalize Alabama for having to play that extra game” camp too. As I said to a friend yesterday, iif was no conf championship game, AL is in. If either OK or TAM (both also 7-1) played in CC game instead, AL is in. And If conf championship was decided by a coin flip, AL is in. Just can’t downgrade them after a loss when ND is sitting home not having to play CC game. However, I think
 
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Todd99
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#48      
spotter
fatt lacosse said:
Over the last three years I've suddenly seen an enormous amount of "we need to get rid of the bowls they're going away anyway we shouldn't do them anymore" discourse

INCIDENTALLY, we had just begun an almost-unprecedented run of 3 bowls in 4 years when that started.

Okay, well maybe I think we need to do away with national championships and only have bowl games for 7-10 win teams!
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I'd be down.
 
#49      
mattcoldagelli
ND to the B1G makes as much sense as it has always made, which is a lot. Will both parties get over decades of grudges and do the obvious thing? I’m dubious.

The schedule ND *wants* to play (Michigan, MSU, Purdue, USC) is a majority B1G schedule, anyway. You’re telling me they can’t figure out a way to do that, keep playing Navy and a few of their traditionals, and call it good?
 
#50      
Pikeillinifan
mattcoldagelli said:
ND to the B1G makes as much sense as it has always made, which is a lot. Will both parties get over decades of grudges and do the obvious thing? I’m dubious.

The schedule ND *wants* to play (Michigan, MSU, Purdue, USC) is a majority B1G schedule, anyway. You’re telling me they can’t figure out a way to do that, keep playing Navy and a few of their traditionals, and call it good?
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We all know the challenge facing ND if they joined - they will be at the mercy of the B1G instead of calling their own shots.

I understand the appeal of being independent, and I know that transitioning from that to joining a conference with brands arguably bigger than their own would require a significant amount of change on their part. Even USC and Texas came from conferences, so they knew the drill; ND has been free to do as they please for a long time.

At this point, it's like trying to get a 50-year-old bachelor to get married, there might be some positives, but not an easy transition, even if you think it's the best thing to do.
 
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