Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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He hasn’t played in 2 years and the offense is different now. He also won’t attempt a shot that’s not within a couple feet of the basket. I love having TY on the team because he’s a dog. But unless his offensive game has improved a ton I don’t see him starting.
I love Ty and his loyalty but if he is starting for illinois next season, something went TERRIBLY wrong in the offseason
 
#627      
There is a world where he has improved his jumpshot and can take threes. We currently have an slasher wing that is great at driving to hoop and isnt a great 3-point shooter in Andre. I would argue that Ty has been a better overall defender and rebounder before injury (though Andre has really stepped up recently). If Ty is a slightly worse shooter but better rebounder and defender than Andre, I can see a role for him off the bench. Big if, but not inconceivable.

TY literally has no offensive game. I think it’s safe to say he isn’t gong to be shooting 30% from 3
 
#628      
Haggerty has been floated many times
Fears is said to be headed to the portal
Christian Anderson was floated last week

Those are the only guys I’d be able to confidently say are “elite” guards, maybe Blackwell but he’s a level below those three and is strictly a 2 imo. Anderson is probably going in the draft and the other two haven’t announced yet.

So I can’t imagine who it’d be, honestly.
Idk if we are going to spend huge to get a PG vice SG/Wing…

But if you ran a combination of Swain/Juke Harris with Andrej…that’s unmatched size/athleticism /ability to get to the rim.

QC 6’4
Swain 6’8/Juke 6’7
Andrej 6’7

Opposing wings are gonna have a ROUGH night.

Saw you post Karter Knox is hitting the portal…that’s another dude that I would target especially with the OA ties.
 
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In 2 years Ty has attempted 0/1 for 3s. I remember arguing with people on here that Buck Harris would never develop a shot. Look how that worked out

From the "Meet David Mirkovic" article:

Tyler Underwood: We do competitive shooting, and we like to stack the teams against him. The other day, there was a team of Jake Davis, Andrej Stojakovic and Ty Rogers. They won, and he’s just going up to everybody, “You put the best shooter on team, son of best shooter in the world, and Ty on one team — and my team is this? You guys are trying to make me lose.”

I was puzzled by this one... Andrej isn't a plus shooter... and Ty?
 
#634      
I would be shocked if Ty practiced basketball for two years (which largely entailed shooting jump shots) and doesn’t have a quality jump shot right now. I don’t have insight into if he does or doesn’t but he should.
 
#635      
A lot of emotional energy got tied up in the notion that Groce failed to land top recruits, and he certainly had high-profile failures.

But with hindsight you look at the broad history of Illinois Basketball and we've had a very strong sell to talented players in volume for all of modern history where ranking recruits has been a thing, with the massive and glaring exception of the Weber period until he hired Snacks, the classes of 04-08.

It's EXTRAORDINARY how bad our recruiting was during that period, there's nothing else remotely like it, and it came during the period of our greatest success and popularity.

A lot of people would like to redeem Weber as a figure for various reasons, but he was a disaster for this program, and the way in which he failed just makes your brain hurt.
Speak of the devil

 
#636      
A lot of emotional energy got tied up in the notion that Groce failed to land top recruits, and he certainly had high-profile failures.

But with hindsight you look at the broad history of Illinois Basketball and we've had a very strong sell to talented players in volume for all of modern history where ranking recruits has been a thing, with the massive and glaring exception of the Weber period until he hired Snacks, the classes of 04-08.

It's EXTRAORDINARY how bad our recruiting was during that period, there's nothing else remotely like it, and it came during the period of our greatest success and popularity.

A lot of people would like to redeem Weber as a figure for various reasons, but he was a disaster for this program, and the way in which he failed just makes your brain hurt.
It was very difficult to run a clean program prior to NIL and win.
 
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Idk if we are going to spend huge to get a PG vice SG/Wing…

But if you ran a combination of Swain/Juke Harris with Andrej…that’s unmatched size/athleticism /ability to get to the rim.

QC 6’4
Swain 6’8/Juke 6’7
Andrej 6’7

Opposing wings are gonna have a ROUGH night.

Saw you post Karter Knox is hitting the portal…that’s another dude that I would target especially with the OA ties.
I love the positional size that we have and hopefully will continue to have. Length and the height advantage makes up for defensive lapses and being able to shoot over the defender on the offensive end is a huge plus.
 
#639      
Ty is a favorite of mine but I honestly don't know if there is spot for him in the rotation...if not I hope he can excel somewhere out of the Big10...
 
#640      
Both Ty and AS are elite at the rim.

Are they shooting layups? I doubt that is what they are talking about when they refer to it as a "competitive shooting drill", but the comment was vague enough on its own I suppose.
 
#641      
Lol is this the "a knee equals two feet" of NCAA eligibility?

I hadn't seen that anywhere, is there a specific case in which that was established?
There hasn't been any case that's established anything.

Pavia sued regarding his eligibility because he came from JUCO. He got an injunction that allowed him to play. The judge did not rule that JUCO seasons don't count. The ruling was essentially that JUCO seasons might not count, so if Pavia was not allowed to play he might be irreparably harmed in the case he is right.

As a result the NCAA granted a one-time eligibility waiver for only the 2025 season to athletes who had at least one year of JUCO or NAIA that would have counted towards their eligibility. They essentially did this to avoid having hundreds, maybe thousands, of athletes sue them hoping to get similar injunctions.

At the same time the NCAA appealed the injunction. The appeal was dismissed as moot because of the blanket waiver the NCAA granted which would apply to Pavia. Pavia's lawsuit apparently is still going in the hopes of changing JUCO/NAIA eligibility rules permanently but there's been no ruling.

Joey Aguilar recently sought an injunction for next season on similar grounds and was denied.

 
#643      
Cosmo Kramer Omg GIF
 
#645      
There hasn't been any case that's established anything.

Pavia sued regarding his eligibility because he came from JUCO. He got an injunction that allowed him to play. The judge did not rule that JUCO seasons don't count. The ruling was essentially that JUCO seasons might not count, so if Pavia was not allowed to play he might be irreparably harmed in the case he is right.

As a result the NCAA granted a one-time eligibility waiver for only the 2025 season to athletes who had at least one year of JUCO or NAIA that would have counted towards their eligibility. They essentially did this to avoid having hundreds, maybe thousands, of athletes sue them hoping to get similar injunctions.

At the same time the NCAA appealed the injunction. The appeal was dismissed as moot because of the blanket waiver the NCAA granted which would apply to Pavia. Pavia's lawsuit apparently is still going in the hopes of changing JUCO/NAIA eligibility rules permanently but there's been no ruling.

Joey Aguilar recently sought an injunction for next season on similar grounds and was denied.

So, if Ben wants another season, he needs to sue the NCAA and get greater relief than Pavia got.
 
#646      
As a result the NCAA granted a one-time eligibility waiver for only the 2025 season to athletes who had at least one year of JUCO or NAIA that would have counted towards their eligibility. They essentially did this to avoid having hundreds, maybe thousands, of athletes sue them hoping to get similar injunctions.
Yeah this is what I was referencing.

You are very right to say that the NCAA's logic was as simple as "let's kick the can down the road and not lose 10,000 injunctions in two months"

But there can be no underlying principle there other than "JUCO and NAIA don't count".

European pros are different, dinging them for seasons in which they got paid is a separate analysis.

It's chaos out there so who knows, but I would be optimistic if Ben wanted to push for another year, and that's coming from the guy who has been Mr. Bummer when insiders were claiming internal confidence about waivers for guys like Domask and DeVito.

If you have played four full non-Covid NCAA seasons you have no leg to stand on, that line has basically held amid all of this. But Ben has only played three.
 
#647      
I love Ty and his loyalty but if he is starting for illinois next season, something went TERRIBLY wrong in the offseason
agree

I hate to say it , but that ship has sailed

he seems like a great dude, but if he wants playing time , he needs to look in G5 or similar step down .

he’s been loyal , but Brad & the program do not owe him anything other than honesty . Perhaps assistance in an off ramp and landing spot .
 
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