Illini in the Pros (Basketball)

#76      
Mobi
ChiefGritty said:
I mean the reason you would say yes, keep him, is that he's cheap and under contract for multiple years, and Mike Conley and Bones Hyland are free agents, so TSJ offers more for less money on what is going to be a very expensive team, especially to the extent they are determined to retain Ayo.

But the reason you would say no is that having Ant, Ayo, and TSJ all on the same team doesn't make a ton of sense from a role perspective, and TSJ is now an asset that might bring them the kind of help that would maximize that team (Tre Jones, Twin Cities native and perfect third guard true PG on a cheap deal! Call the Bulls!)

But then Ayo is a UFA, so if he goes elsewhere, then it's a whole other story.
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I still wouldn't trade for Tre, a small guard who doesn't shoot well. Rather keep TSJ in this case.
 
#77      
Mobi
illinitiger said:
I believe they are a better team if they could figure out a way to integrate TSJ with Ant on the court together.

The idea that they must be mutually exclusive players on the court is sign of a weak coach (or at least "not creative") IMO.
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They don't really have to worry that much if they make TSJ the 6th man.
 
#78      
ChiefGritty
Mobi said:
I still wouldn't trade for Tre, a small guard who doesn't shoot well. Rather keep TSJ in this case.
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Advanced stats really really like Tre Jones, and he's an okay enough shooter to not harm the other things he can provide to an offense.

He's not totally dissimilar to the kind of player Mike Conley once was.

Two years remaining at $8M per is a fine asset regardless, one that the Bulls absolutely need to auction off to the highest bidder this offseason.
 
#79      
Battle89
ChiefGritty said:
Your years are mixed up. It's $2.8M next year, then a $5M team option for 27-28, and then he's a restricted free agent after that, so the T'Wolves can match any offer.

But yeah, whether in Minnesota or elsewhere, TSJ's gonna be seeing more of the floor next year.

Btw anybody else a little wrong-footed by him being called "TJ" now? I know he was usually referred to that way by Brad and others within the team, but the announcers never said it.
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Yup. I can recall many a post here where someone wrote 'TJS' as shorthand and was corrected that it should be 'TSJ' for Terrance Shannon Jr.

Looks like the first group was right all along. :LOL:
 
#81      
Mobi
ChiefGritty said:
Advanced stats really really like Tre Jones, and he's an okay enough shooter to not harm the other things he can provide to an offense.

He's not totally dissimilar to the kind of player Mike Conley once was.

Two years remaining at $8M per is a fine asset regardless, one that the Bulls absolutely need to auction off to the highest bidder this offseason.
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Conley was a way better 3pt shooter and still am. Personally I prefer floor spacing and that's not Tre's strength. Tre to me better serves as a backup PG. Between TSJ and Tre on the bench, I choose TSJ 7 days out of a week. Plus, I would sign Conley back as the backup PG.
 
#82      
GrayGhost77
Battle89 said:
Season 5 Nbc GIF by The Office


Yup. I can recall many a post here where someone wrote 'TJS' as shorthand and was corrected that it should be 'TSJ' for Terrance Shannon Jr.

Looks like the first group was right all along. :LOL:
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Ah yes, the days of Terrence Jannon, Senior.
 
#83      
ChiefGritty
Mobi said:
Conley was a way better 3pt shooter and still am. Personally I prefer floor spacing and that's not Tre's strength. Tre to me better serves as a backup PG. Between TSJ and Tre on the bench, I choose TSJ 7 days out of a week. Plus, I would sign Conley back as the backup PG.
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Conley was an outstanding, underrated player for a long time, but it wouldn't surprise me if he retires.

The trouble you run into with TSJ is playing him and Ant at the same time, as we have seen so far in his career. As soon as Ant misses time, TSJ explodes to life.

Whereas Ayo can play alongside Ant and be a facilitator for him and others, while also being a go-to scorer for the bench unit.

But hey, one hopes we're about to get a test drive of Ant, Ayo and TSJ playing together. Maybe I'm wrong, let's see how it goes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2052062688696517114
 
#84      
Mobi
ChiefGritty said:
Conley was an outstanding, underrated player for a long time, but it wouldn't surprise me if he retires.

The trouble you run into with TSJ is playing him and Ant at the same time, as we have seen so far in his career. As soon as Ant misses time, TSJ explodes to life.

Whereas Ayo can play alongside Ant and be a facilitator for him and others, while also being a go-to scorer for the bench unit.

But hey, one hopes we're about to get a test drive of Ant, Ayo and TSJ playing together. Maybe I'm wrong, let's see how it goes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2052062688696517114
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I do not disagree what you said here. I wrote that Ayo would take minutes away from TSJ when the trade happened. I don't mind trading TSJ but simply don't think Tre is the answer and don't think Tim Connley is dumb enough to trade them one for one.
 
#88      
illinitiger
the juiceman cometh said:
How do you integrate two guys who both need the ball in their hand as much as possible? There's only one ball. What role do you envision for TSJ as a supporting player to Ant?

I do think he gets more opportunities in Minn going forward but I'm skeptical he'll have the kind of role he'd excel in.
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I dont know ...but Atkinson at Cleveland and Redick at LA have similar ×2 ball dominant players....they have figured it out.

I always thought of TSJ as a pace changer "fast"... perhaps let Rudy just outlet to TSJ to blow down the court for a dunk or a foul...I think that would be very productive off bench...especially when you are trying to wear down teams.
 
#89      
the juiceman cometh
illinitiger said:
I dont know ...but Atkinson at Cleveland and Redick at LA have similar ×2 ball dominant players....they have figured it out.
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I don't actually think this is true.The Lakers have not "figured it out." LeBron and Doncic haven't really gelled in a way that makes them the world beaters you'd expect on paper and the team's efficiency scores are actually better when Luka is on the court without LeBron. I think the Lakers move on from LeBron this offseason and build around Luka and end up a better team as a result.

And the fundamental difference is that Luka, LeBron, Harden, and Mitchell are all capable and eager distributors of the ball, while Ant and TSJ are not. Just look at the assist numbers - they are night and day.

illinitiger said:
I always thought of TSJ as a pace changer "fast"... perhaps let Rudy just outlet to TSJ to blow down the court for a dunk or a foul...I think that would be very productive off bench...especially when you are trying to wear down teams.
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How many times a game is that going to happen? That's not really the path to a bigger role.
 
#90      
Mobi
the juiceman cometh said:
How do you integrate two guys who both need the ball in their hand as much as possible? There's only one ball. What role do you envision for TSJ as a supporting player to Ant?

I do think he gets more opportunities in Minn going forward but I'm skeptical he'll have the kind of role he'd excel in.
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It's possible. Boston is a good example But if Ayo back，TSJ will most likely go from the bench. So you put the ball in his hand when Antman needs rest. The role is limited but he will be ok as long as the staff has his manual. I don't mind them trading him, either.
 
#92      
bavanga3
hooraybeer said:
hope he’s back to 100%. he’s a warrior so i know he wants to help his team but no sense in rushing back and sustaining a major injury right before unrestricted free agency
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Its about championships right now, not free agency. Ayo would tell you the same thing.
 
#96      
Fly Illini Fly!
I guess this is the 8 man rotation: Shannon, McDaniel, Edward’s, Ayo, Conley, Gobert, Reid, Randle.

Regardless, looks really rough right now. Completely dominated.
 
#98      
Jon
Ayo moved to questionable at the half
 
#100      
hiberto
a "you cant do that" chant and Kernkraft 400, is the krush at this game?
 
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