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doowink
Mr. Tibbs said:
he coached at Lawrenceville (on the border ) in the 1970s & won back to back class A titles
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He actually won 4 state titles...back to back in 81-82 and 82-83.....went undefeated both seasons....34-0 each season.... attended many of his camps....was a tremendous motivator, relentless competitor and cared deeply about his players....legendary...for sure
 
#252      
alaskaillini
Why not invite all the D1 teams - pick the top 64 or so. Then have the other 300 or so play 3 games to weed them down to 36 or so. Have those play the 33-64 seeds. Give the top 32 byes. then play the tourney - would add about a week and generate a whole lot more revenue.
I know the numbers don't jive exactly but you could adjust a few play in games to balance it out.
This is where it is heading - might as well just go there. Then there could be no issue about leaving anyone out.
 
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Illinicpa14
alaskaillini said:
Why not invite all the D1 teams - pick the top 64 or so. Then have the other 300 or so play 3 games to weed them down to 36 or so. Have those play the 33-64 seeds. Give the top 32 byes. then play the tourney - would add about a week and generate a whole lot more revenue.
I know the numbers don't jive exactly but you could adjust a few play in games to balance it out.
This is where it is heading - might as well just go there. Then there could be no issue about leaving anyone out.
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lol that is the conference tournaments
 
#256      
wc_illini
grue2 said:
I think the 11/12 games may make a significant difference.
- The 5-11 game is won by the 11 35% of the time.
- The 4-12 game is won by the 12 20% of the time.
The stronger 11/12 seed should have an even better chance of advancing. Look at how the last 4 in winners have done thus far.

The stronger 15 seed in the 2/15 game is pretty unlikely to matter. I still don't understand why they were not spread out more.
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If they are paired like this (where # in parentheses is their overall s-curve seed):

6 (21) vs 11 (44)/11 (45)
6 (22) vs 11 (43)/11 (46)
6 (23) vs 11 (42)
6 (24) vs 11 (41)

Then the 11-seed play-in winners are theoretically "worse" (by original seeding) than the 11-seeds who avoided the play-in.

As for how that's played out, winners of at-large play-in games have indeed slightly under-performed similar seeds in the R64 (link with data through 2024; for 2025/26, they were 1-3 vs 3-5 for all 11 seeds). This is a small sample size though.
 
#257      
wc_illini
Illinicpa14 said:
lol that is the conference tournaments
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I get what you're saying, but really I disagree...

The proposed system would give the #40-#64 teams (who hypothetically wouldn't win their conference tourney) an excellent path in, and would give the #64-100 teams a much better shot than than just one per conference. It could help boost some mid-major conferences at the expense of the bottom feeder conferences. But it would also de-value (or eliminate) the conference tournaments.
 
#258      
SCottm
So now when you say you made the tournamend, people can roll their eyes because almost everyone is in. It's a bigger detriment when you don't make the field. They have taken some of the luster off of what used to be an accomplishment. I guess schools can rest their players during Conference tournaments now.
 
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wc_illini
SCottm said:
So now when you say you made the tournamend, people can roll their eyes because almost everyone is in. It's a bigger detriment when you don't make the field. They have taken some of the luster off of what used to be an accomplishment. I guess schools can rest their players during Conference tournaments now.
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I don't think that's true

Teams with no chance for an at-large selection will still try to win their conference tourney. Teams on the bubble will still try to win games to solidify their chances/seed. Teams solidly in will still try to win games to improve their seed.

The only teams with nothing to play for except pride are: teams with a 1-seed locked up, and teams with no chance to win their conference tourney or be an at-large selection. This hasn't changed from before, and reduces the number of teams with no chance of being an at-large selection.
 
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Curbelo Fanboy
grue2 said:
I think the 11/12 games may make a significant difference.
- The 5-11 game is won by the 11 35% of the time.
- The 4-12 game is won by the 12 20% of the time.
The stronger 11/12 seed should have an even better chance of advancing. Look at how the last 4 in winners have done thus far.

The stronger 15 seed in the 2/15 game is pretty unlikely to matter. I still don't understand why they were not spread out more.
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You have your #'s wrong. The 6 plays the 11 & the 5 plays the 12 in the 64 team bracket.
 
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Curbelo Fanboy
Battle89 said:
All the changes, all the time passed, and we still end playing Kentucky in Kentucky.

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Edit: and what a loaded region! 1 - Illinois 2 - Arizona 3 - Gonzaga 4 - Alabama 5 - Iowa State
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We beat Houston 3 miles from campus. KY in Louisville should be a breeze. Any Lville people in the building sure as heck aint rooting for Big Blue. Pay those SOB's back for 1984 once & for all.
 
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hangdog
Curbelo Fanboy said:
We beat Houston 3 miles from campus. KY in Louisville should be a breeze. Any Lville people in the building sure as heck aint rooting for Big Blue. Pay those SOB's back for 1984 once & for all.
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#265      
IllinoisssssssVarsity
Saw Will Wade do a session today at the Texas Coaches Clinic. Some guys do sessions and you can’t see the vision, but he knows he’s offensively inclined and his teaching is smooth. Very good offensive session.

Ended with, we pay the most to the people we want to shoot the ball. It’s always been that way, I can just say it now.
 

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#266      
Second place is 1st loser
Battle89 said:
All the changes, all the time passed, and we still end playing Kentucky in Kentucky.

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Edit: and what a loaded region! 1 - Illinois 2 - Arizona 3 - Gonzaga 4 - Alabama 5 - Iowa State
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Well, to be fair, while Milwaukee isn't in Illinois, you can pretty much fall backwards in the state of Illinois and fall into Milwaukee's lap. Two years ago, as a 3 seed, Kentucky got stuck with us as the 6.

Last year, Miami as a 7 got stuck with Missouri as a 10......in St. Louis.

As a 4 seed, Nebraska played their games in Omaha.

It's all about packing these stadiums in the first and second rounds.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman
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