Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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PepeSilvia
the juiceman cometh said:
They were studs as freshmen. Maybe not on the level of Keaton but arguably they were even bigger scouting misses (which is the discussion that got us here) because they ended up at mid-majors. Lillard had zero high major offers and Morant got only one, from South Carolina, late in the game.
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Yeah they were all really good.

You could also throw guys like Steph and CJ Mccollum in there.

McCollum dropped 26 on Kansas in the tourney as a freshman.

Steph is by far the biggest scouting miss in history because his dad had a 15+ year NBA career and not a single power conference school would throw an offer at him.
 
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Travis1173
PepeSilvia said:
Yeah they were all really good.

You could also throw guys like Steph and CJ Mccollum in there.

McCollum dropped 26 on Kansas in the tourney as a freshman.

Steph is by far the biggest scouting miss in history because his dad had a 15+ year NBA career and not a single power conference school would throw an offer at him.
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It’s even funnier in Steph’s case because he basically begged VT for a scholly.
 
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Mobi
PasadenaIllini said:
I'm not a reflexive "insider defender" at all. Look at my posting history, and my opinions have certainly run counter to an "insider" or two here. But I don't really feel this line of critique is fair. I don't think anyone could have known exactly how good Keaton was until he showed up on campus and the coaches saw him against our regulars. We started to hear what sounded like hyperbole about him from Brad and the coaches shortly after practices started. Heck I remember dismissing that "hyperbole" myself as typical preseason hype. Players that outplay their ranking during their freshman years THAT hard are beyond exceptional, so I wouldn't blame certain folks for not seeing it coming.

What I feel Keaton's story shows, though, is that every one of our newcomers will be given a fair chance to prove their worth and earn as much playing time as their play merits. Keaton is living proof of this which is fantastic for recruiting, IMO, because it shows potential freshman recruits that they will have a fair chance to earn PT if they choose to come here.
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Keaton has a movie making story in store. I predict he becomes one of the best NBA players in his time.
 
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jamarvelous31
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LvilleILL1
PepeSilvia said:
I hope there is a nice surprise coming after the draft stuff(more than just Stojakovic returning) because I'm confused why both of Ty and Lee transferred with the current roster composition.

Currently have:

Vaaks
Coleman(freshman)
Stojakovic
Mirkovic
Tomislav
Zvonimir
Jake Davis
Morillo(freshman)

Jakstys
Zens(freshman)
Brown(freshman)
Landon Davis

I don't see why one of Ty or Lee couldn't have played a significant role on a team with title aspirations with that outlook.

I'm hoping there is a #theaddition(outside of Vaaks) to go alongside the retention. Right now, basically just running it back with Coleman and Vaaks in place of Wagler and Boswell. Which don't get me wrong that is a great place to be, but I still think the goal should be a title and beating the likes of the Duke, UConn, and Florida's of the world. Another guard would probably help a ton especially one with defensive versatility.

Supposedly there was the money to add Blackwell to this group so it should be there to add another piece.
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Significant role? A 9th man isn't a significant role.

Also, the staff felt like at least one of Zens/Brown will be an upgrade over Lee.
 
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NarrowJ
PepeSilvia said:
Supposedly there was the money to add Blackwell to this group so it should be there to add another piece.
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The money was there for Blackwell primarily because if we brought him in we were losing at least one of Stoj / Coleman

Also, the bucket of money isn't static - if we can bring in a player of Blackwell's caliber, then maybe some donors say "I'll pay more for that", but if we want to bring in a redundant piece (ie, another bench guard) then maybe they won't "pay more for that"
 
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Det_Illini_fan
NarrowJ said:
The money was there for Blackwell primarily because if we brought him in we were losing at least one of Stoj / Coleman

Also, the bucket of money isn't static - if we can bring in a player of Blackwell's caliber, then maybe some donors say "I'll pay more for that", but if we want to bring in a redundant piece (ie, another bench guard) then maybe they won't "pay more for that"
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I think this breakdown needs to be pinned at the top of each recruiting forum page by now.
 
#462      
Iamgroot
spartanavenue.com

2 new elite 2027 Michigan State basketball targets revealed this week

A couple of elite 2027 Michigan State basketball targets have been identified this week. Tom Izzo isn’t resting until he gets No. 2.
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I know we backed off Jaxon Davis because of his measurables of 3 point shooting. I really hope he dont end up in the big ten to come back to haunt us like fears.But if I believe correctly I thought it was mentioned we were going hard after Nasir Anderson. I know its a spartan article just thought it was interesting in the article they didn't mention us could be big ten rivalry or etc.would love to hear some feedback from some of the insiders am thinking of a different point guard or if im not has anything changed in the Anderson recruitment I know its early still or have has the coaching staff found another player they like better
 
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IlliniUnited
Iamgroot said:
spartanavenue.com

2 new elite 2027 Michigan State basketball targets revealed this week

A couple of elite 2027 Michigan State basketball targets have been identified this week. Tom Izzo isn’t resting until he gets No. 2.
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I know we backed off Jaxon Davis because of his measurables of 3 point shooting. I really hope he dont end up in the big ten to come back to haunt us.
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He likely will end up in the Big Ten. He is a very good player. The staff prefers size, shooting, and using multiple ball handlers over an old school point guard.
 
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PepeSilvia
LvilleILL1 said:
Significant role? A 9th man isn't a significant role.

Also, the staff felt like at least one of Zens/Brown will be an upgrade over Lee.
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I know Ty is coming off a patellar tendon injury which can be a career killer but I don't see why he couldn't have earned a role ahead of Morillo or Davis if he came back healthy.

Morillo is a promising recruit but has a pretty similar ranking that Ty did when he was entering college(50ish) and Ty has 4 years of development and practice at a major program.

As for Davis, Ty is a way way better defender and rebounder. Obviously can't shoot but on the flip side provides a versatile perimeter defender that is also an elite rebounder on both ends.

Obviously all depends on how healthy he is and if he recovered but it definitely seems like he could have competed to be the first guard off the bench or even start of Coleman struggles with the transition. I doubt Ty got that big of a payday from Boise State.
 
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Illinicpa14
PepeSilvia said:
I know Ty is coming off a patellar tendon injury which can be a career killer but I don't see why he couldn't have earned a role ahead of Morillo or Davis if he came back healthy.

Morillo is a promising recruit but has a pretty similar ranking that Ty did when he was entering college(50ish) and Ty has 4 years of development and practice at a major program.

As for Davis, Ty is a way way better defender and rebounder. Obviously can't shoot but on the flip side provides a versatile perimeter defender that is also an elite rebounder on both ends.

Obviously all depends on how healthy he is and if he recovered but it definitely seems like he could have competed to be the first guard off the bench or even start of Coleman struggles with the transition. I doubt Ty got that big of a payday from Boise State.
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Andre playing 30-35 minutes as not a good shooter likely limits how much you could play him on a given night.

Even if he was better than Jake, the gravity Jake brings to open things up for everyone else and everything we do on offense. He’s an important part whether he’s actually hitting shots or not.
 
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Timj83
PepeSilvia said:
I know Ty is coming off a patellar tendon injury which can be a career killer but I don't see why he couldn't have earned a role ahead of Morillo or Davis if he came back healthy.

Morillo is a promising recruit but has a pretty similar ranking that Ty did when he was entering college(50ish) and Ty has 4 years of development and practice at a major program.

As for Davis, Ty is a way way better defender and rebounder. Obviously can't shoot but on the flip side provides a versatile perimeter defender that is also an elite rebounder on both ends.

Obviously all depends on how healthy he is and if he recovered but it definitely seems like he could have competed to be the first guard off the bench or even start of Coleman struggles with the transition. I doubt Ty got that big of a payday from Boise State.
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Ty wanted to be a starter and more a focal point of the team which he definitely wasn't going to get here. Bet he proves he can be that this year and gets his bag for a higher major tourney contender for his last season.
 
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Joel Goodson
PepeSilvia said:
I know Ty is coming off a patellar tendon injury which can be a career killer but I don't see why he couldn't have earned a role ahead of Morillo or Davis if he came back healthy.

Morillo is a promising recruit but has a pretty similar ranking that Ty did when he was entering college(50ish) and Ty has 4 years of development and practice at a major program.

As for Davis, Ty is a way way better defender and rebounder. Obviously can't shoot but on the flip side provides a versatile perimeter defender that is also an elite rebounder on both ends.

Obviously all depends on how healthy he is and if he recovered but it definitely seems like he could have competed to be the first guard off the bench or even start of Coleman struggles with the transition. I doubt Ty got that big of a payday from Boise State.
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Ty's #1 priority, by far, is tick. and he wasn't going to get a sufficient amount with Illinois
 
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jamarvelous31
PepeSilvia said:
I know Ty is coming off a patellar tendon injury which can be a career killer but I don't see why he couldn't have earned a role ahead of Morillo or Davis if he came back healthy.

Morillo is a promising recruit but has a pretty similar ranking that Ty did when he was entering college(50ish) and Ty has 4 years of development and practice at a major program.

As for Davis, Ty is a way way better defender and rebounder. Obviously can't shoot but on the flip side provides a versatile perimeter defender that is also an elite rebounder on both ends.

Obviously all depends on how healthy he is and if he recovered but it definitely seems like he could have competed to be the first guard off the bench or even start of Coleman struggles with the transition. I doubt Ty got that big of a payday from Boise State.
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Yes, he can rebound, but he's a 6'6 PF with some guard skills and it seems pretty clear that Ty is not enough of a defender/ rebounder to justify having a dude who can't shoot.

Ending up at a mid major where he will get a chance to get a bunch of touches and figure out his shot is a way better move for him than being our 8/9th guy whose minutes will only come when our highest paid player is on the bench or we 'need a spark'.

Everyone is better off in this deal and you have to trust the staff.
 
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