Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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CHI 1086
grue2 said:
What percentage of seasons do we lose one of the original top 8 players from the rotation for an extended stretch, or for the season? Any reason for not playing counts -- injured, didn't live up to expectations, anything. From my (weak) memory, we lose someone almost every season. That means that player #9 will likely be a main rotation player for at least part, if not a significant portion of the season. When you throw in the occasional illnesses, family emergencies etc, player #9 is a non-trivial role. You may now continue the argument about the value of player #10 in the rotation.

I suspect players #9 and #10 are the fallback guard and fallback forward, so the above argument may apply with a 50/50 split to which of #9 and #10 get the tick.
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Need nine to play eight.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
Joel Goodson said:
$ article, but you'll get the gist:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2058155984896270790

sounds like he might make the team:

"No. 13 Quentin Coleman, committed to Illinois – No high school senior emerged more this year than Coleman and he looked even better this week in Colorado Springs. Not only was his skill and feel evident, but there were increased signs of athleticism and physicality. He was initiating contact off the dribble in ways I hadn't seen before and even had a tip dunk. In other words, he looked every bit as good as advertised and poised to be a key contributor for this team."
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Joel Goodson said:
yet another expert list, but interesting:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2058219419830997245
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Would not be surprised if some of the other big outlets have him as a first rounder. The next year’s way-too-early mocks usually come out right after draft night.
 
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wc_illini
I don't know why this has to be explained a million times but this is going to be the case for pretty much any team dealing with [multiple] injuries. You can't get rotational quality players to come sign for lowball NIL and be expected to play zero minutes the whole season in the case that there are minimal injuries.

Duke went to a 6 man rotation when they had guys injured
Texas Tech went to a 6/7 man rotation when Toppin went down
Michigan went to a 7 man rotation with Tschetter playing spot minutes after the Cason injury
UConn was playing 7 guys when they had injuries
Iowa St played 7 after Jefferson got injured
Alabama played 7 after Holloway was arrested
Gonzaga played 7 after Braden Huff was injured
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It's a fuzzy cutoff when counting rotations though...

Duke played 7 with 2 injured if you count Harris (10mpg in those games)
Michigan played 8 with 1 injured if you count Tschetter (12mpg in those games)
UConn got 12min combined from their 7th/8th guys with 2 injured in the R64 (not a blowout). With just their 9th man injured for a longer stretch, they averaged ~10mpg from 8th+ guys (ignoring blowouts with lots of garbage time).

I didn't look at the rest of those teams since they weren't quite in that top tier
 
#882      
jmwillini
C'mon people, let's get this thread back to where it shoud be. From Russia with love, chocolate covered cottage cheese.

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#886      
WhereDoWeStandWithStorr?
PizzaHutParkingLot said:
No real idea how Zens holds up defensively, and that’s probably what decides how early he plays.
But if he can at least recreate Luke Goode’s freshman year, 28 games, 8.9 minutes, 2.0 points, 1.8 boards, 37.2% from three, and maybe a little more,
sounds like a suitable #9thman
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The reason you need a 9th man is not so much the stats, but to have a player good enough to get into the game IF NEEDED.

Our Wisconsin game, very clearly, showed we didn't have that this year. We played 6 players total in an OT game, with both Petro and Lee playing exactly 0 minutes. You just would prefer to not have that problem. (Without Keaton going nuclear, we had a 0% chance of winning that game. He did go nuclear, but we still lost due to horrific FT shooting and typical BIG officiating.)

Goode played in 28/33 games, which is 85%, so Zens hitting that mark would be more than ideal. Heck, 70% with 6 minutes per across those games would be great as well. But it needs to be better than Petro: 19/37 which is 51%.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
grue2 said:
What percentage of seasons do we lose one of the original top 8 players from the rotation for an extended stretch, or for the season? Any reason for not playing counts -- injured, didn't live up to expectations, anything. From my (weak) memory, we lose someone almost every season. That means that player #9 will likely be a main rotation player for at least part, if not a significant portion of the season. When you throw in the occasional illnesses, family emergencies etc, player #9 is a non-trivial role. You may now continue the argument about the value of player #10 in the rotation.

I suspect players #9 and #10 are the fallback guard and fallback forward, so the above argument may apply with a 50/50 split to which of #9 and #10 get the tick.
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IMO, rather than claiming "the 9th man is irrelevant"
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the more constructive argument would be "Brown / Zens will be serviceable in a 9th man role, which has limited (but not zero) relevance."
 
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NarrowJ
The whole 9th man thing just screams 1st world problems to me

25-26 F4 team: Petrovic (only played in half the games, averaged 5 minutes and 1 point)
23-24 E8 team: DGL (played in about 70% of games, averaged 7 minutes and 2 points)

Izzo's grandmother could duplicate that production as long as she wasn't double teamed
 
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HailtotheChief
Fly Illini Fly! said:
Yes, 100%. I think that'd be the perfect 9th man.
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Many look at our rotations as positionless so in that case Zens may be that 9th man. Personally though, i look at rotations by positions or at least wings at 1-3 where we have at Vaaks, Coleman, Dre, Morrilo, Jake, and Zens. Then the guys built to play the 4/5 in Mirk, Tomi and Z. Now Jason J hopefully can be ready if there are fouls or god forbid injuries. If Jason cant fill that role if one of those top 3 bigs go down then thats the only spot we may be a little thin if injuries hapoen and they typically do.
 
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Second place is 1st loser
NarrowJ said:
The whole 9th man thing just screams 1st world problems to me

25-26 F4 team: Petrovic (only played in half the games, averaged 5 minutes and 1 point)
23-24 E8 team: DGL (played in about 70% of games, averaged 7 minutes and 2 points)

Izzo's grandmother could duplicate that production as long as she wasn't double teamed
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I don't know if there's a tongue in cheek joke regarding the production of Tom Izzo here or not. Narrow can be serious, yet witty.
 
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RabidDawgClassic
WhereDoWeStandWithStorr? said:
The reason you need a 9th man is not so much the stats, but to have a player good enough to get into the game IF NEEDED.

Our Wisconsin game, very clearly, showed we didn't have that this year. We played 6 players total in an OT game, with both Petro and Lee playing exactly 0 minutes. You just would prefer to not have that problem. (Without Keaton going nuclear, we had a 0% chance of winning that game. He did go nuclear, but we still lost due to horrific FT shooting and typical BIG officiating.)

Goode played in 28/33 games, which is 85%, so Zens hitting that mark would be more than ideal. Heck, 70% with 6 minutes per across those games would be great as well. But it needs to be better than Petro: 19/37 which is 51%.
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In that particular situation we needed a #7thman.
 
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nichi
Grandpa said:
It still will be. They said a "Case by case basis"
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How they are going to enforce this is already ambiguous, but that part sticks out like a sore thumb. Now they tell us that eligibility rulings will be arbitrary. I am sure the NCAA will live up to their reputation for fairness and consistency. /s

Questions:

*What does reinstate mean? Are prospective student athletes presumed ineligible unless the NCAA reinstates them?

*Will players already cleared for x number of years and enrolled be exempt?

*How about players signed and planning to enroll this fall?
 
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Emerson Bigguns
HereSoIDontGetFined said:
Is Jakstys even going to be available this year? His blood clot issue was pretty serious.
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Not sure it’s a certainty, but I read he was beginning to workout again in March, applying for a med redshirt for last season, & anticipating playing in the fall. Haven’t seen any updates since then.
 
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March2TheArch
Have to assume Zens can back up Mirk if we’re in a spot of bother. Assuming Landon will mainly be utilized on the scout team.

I’d love for Jason J to be usable. But no reports thus far suggest that’s the case. Just seeks more in the mould of Fagbemi. Providing useful scout warm bodies.
 
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