College Sports (Basketball)

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Everyone thinks the next generation is less hard nosed than their generation. Always been that way; simply being another guy to claim that doesn't make you out-of-this-world bright.

Fact is, his point isn't too accurate either. Yes there's been many accomplished European players, but that's because it's a worldwide sport. This 2026 draft is thought to be one of the best in years; yet every one of the top 10 picks will be American-born.
 
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From what little I've read, they had an AD and President that were killing it and bringing in a ton of funding and helping them compete. But a few Regents were using their reviews to politicize board decisions to score political points and created a lot of bad blood --enough that even offering another million bucks wasn't enough to keep them. To give you an idea of how bad this own goal was, the state legislature is looking at changing how the regents are appointed.
 
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His annoying gym teacher energy is astonishing.

The true element of what he's pointing out though is that traditional high school basketball involves/involved a lot more practice time relative to game time, more stable teams, more intense scouting, and more of a focus on actually winning the games. Better teams, worse teams, weird matchups, do whatever weird quirk you need and find a way.

AAU basketball is best-on-best over a much larger geographic area and population and focuses much more on individual skill development, both of those being very good things in terms of cultivating the absolute best talents and definitely contributing to the growing talent level in the sport. It does "work".

But the relative decline in that other stuff is noticeable too, especially when you've made your career coaching 18-22 year olds. Cronin has better and better size-skill-explosiveness packages every year, the materials get better and better. But the kids don't know how to execute a scouting report and deal with the tactical subtleties of late game situations like they used to. The two go together, these kids basketball lives have focused more on the former and less on the latter. They work as hard if not harder than they ever did, just on different stuff.

Quit whining coach and teach your young athletes the game, that's your job.

To give you an idea of how bad this own goal was, the state legislature is looking at changing how the regents are appointed.
Having briefly looked into this they actually aren't appointed, they are directly elected by the voters, and individually for U of M, MSU, and Wayne State which seems insane to me.

Like, honestly, if you're a U of M fan you are absolutely voting to retain these board members that Izzo hates, right?
 
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Sounds like this could still be a bit messy for a couple of years. The new rules will definitely apply to prospects who graduated this spring, but the colleges get to choose which model will apply to players already in their programs.

Is it more advantageous to stick with the old rules, due to players who have already used redshirts? Really depends on the players and how you have built your program. Basketball will probably get less consideration from institutions than football in making this determination.

What if your program goes one way and it's more advantageous to an individual to go the other? Will they be able to transfer to a program with different rules?

At least we are making some progress on reigning in the madness...
 
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Sounds like this could still be a bit messy for a couple of years. The new rules will definitely apply to prospects who graduated this spring, but the colleges get to choose which model will apply to players already in their programs.

Is it more advantageous to stick with the old rules, due to players who have already used redshirts? Really depends on the players and how you have built your program. Basketball will probably get less consideration from institutions than football in making this determination.

What if your program goes one way and it's more advantageous to an individual to go the other? Will they be able to transfer to a program with different rules?

At least we are making some progress on reigning in the madness...

What does this mean for Tomi and Big Z?
 
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What does this mean for Tomi and Big Z?
My understanding for returning players is the student athlete can work with their program and choose whichever option is in their best interest.

I could be wrong. It happens on rare occasions.

Tomi was admitted as a sophomore and has played 2 seasons. Z has played 3 seasons. Under the old rules; they both have one year left

Under new rules, the 5 year age based clock runs out after the upcoming 2006/7 season.

So it's a wash
 
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I would be curious if any exceptions will be made for this year only allowing undrafted NBA hopefuls (Kylan Boswell) to come back.
 
#43      
Why does the NCAA keep thinking it can make it's rules without input from the players? I'm reading lawsuits have already been filed and personally, I don't see how you can impose college eligibility based on age. Last I heard, you could enroll at any age.

I vaguely recall that what little success the NCAA has had in court, it's the 5 years, so maybe this will fly?
 
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Why does the NCAA keep thinking it can make it's rules without input from the players? I'm reading lawsuits have already been filed and personally, I don't see how you can impose college eligibility based on age. Last I heard, you could enroll at any age.

I vaguely recall that what little success the NCAA has had in court, it's the 5 years, so maybe this will fly?
Because there's no CBA.
 
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Because there's no CBA.
100% yes. The fact that they let 4th yr players select whichever plan is most favorable for them but not 5th is the least defensible thing I've seen them do.

It has to be an unspoken (if only for discovery purposes) understanding that they will lose this year (and probably next) on anything remotely unfavorable to a players' earnings.

The only thing I can think of why they did it this way is to make 6th year lawsuits less frequent.
 
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Why does the NCAA keep thinking it can make it's rules without input from the players? I'm reading lawsuits have already been filed and personally, I don't see how you can impose college eligibility based on age. Last I heard, you could enroll at any age.

I vaguely recall that what little success the NCAA has had in court, it's the 5 years, so maybe this will fly?
Because that is what it is for. It is an association of universities.
 
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I just don't understand how putting an age limit is enforceable. For example, if someone joins the armed forces after high school, because they couldn't afford college, or just wanted to get some structure. Then at 22 they decide to go to college and are ineligible?
 
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I just don't understand how putting an age limit is enforceable. For example, if someone joins the armed forces after high school, because they couldn't afford college, or just wanted to get some structure. Then at 22 they decide to go to college and are ineligible?
They'd have 2 years (5 year clock starts at enrollment or 19th bday) but your broader point is why this isn't likely to stand up in court for anyone currently >19 looking for their 5 years..
 
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They'd have 2 years (5 year clock starts at enrollment or 19th bday) but your broader point is why this isn't likely to stand up in court for anyone currently >19 looking for their 5 years..
They should just remove the 19 limit and just leave it at enrollment date.
 
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