Michigan 13, Western Michigan 12

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Roundball Sage
illiniwil said:
i cant believe the big ten offices would try to explain how there would be 1 second left?? this is the easiest reversal ever. game was over, WMU won. they just didn't get a chance to
celebrate the biggest win in schools history on Michigan's field.
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This event of a failed game ending was/is a wider test of integrity. You have a chance to do the right thing in front of the World and make things right, or not. And your response says a great deal about ‘you’.

So instead, the Not-Nearly-As-Big-Looking-Now-Ten showed where They rate on the Integrity Scale. Not that we are naive enough to have expected anything different or more fair.

Western Michigan’s Conference doesn’t come off looking too good either. We know they want the big paydays going forward and aren’t going to rock the boat too much. But the weak response to an obvious egregious error does not show much pride or ability to stand up for the teams in your Conference.

This all was a form of Morality Play. And mostly, showing all the ‘players’ involved at all levels have failed the moment.

One thing is for sure. A whole lot of people have already learned a whole lot of things about how modern College Athletics and Administrators roll today.
 
#354      
gibb52
I would have assumed that the orange cone along the back of the EZ was the OOB marker. That the edge of the white line was the OOB and not the edge of the blue line. I guess I'm wrong.
 
#355      
JSpence
https://twitter.com/x/status/2096801142885724299

Someone else went and did it. I would have also added a view of the delay clock and detailed the blips there, but I understand why they didn't include it.

Holy moly, I'm glad I didn't make the effort. The top relies we see are people saying that it doesn't matter because we go by the clock on the field. This video is literally showing the clock on the field. My faith in humanity has been shaken this weekend with how ridiculously tribal many neutrals have been in their conviction of the facts. I hope that nothing like this ever happens to us.

By the way, our scoreboard is a Daktronic. We and the majority of other schools likely have the same vulnerability.
 
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ChiefGritty
https://twitter.com/x/status/2096778279155913118

The caption of the video is rather amusing under the circumstances, but this does finally have everything in the same video, albeit grainy and at a bad angle to really see what happened.

Evidence in favor of the call being "correct" rather than the reverse, I would admit, but by no means "indisputable video evidence" and if you haven't seen the light of the wisdom of the NFL rule by now, I give up.
 
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aiwpfan
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#359      
lstewart53x3
Interesting note from Mike Pereira, the Fox Sports rules analyst:

"The official replay officials have been told that if there is a discrepancy, use the television footage," Pereira said. "Do not use your footage in the command center. Use the footage that 10 million people are watching, not the one that's there."

So it sounds like the command center who made the call, not the officials on the field, broke protocol to award Michigan the extra second of play.

www.foxsports.com

Replay Protocol Breakdown: Mike Pereira Explains Michigan Clock Controversy

To clear up Saturday night's confusion, FOX Sports rules analyst Mike Pereira joined Joel Klatt on Monday to weigh in on the controversial ending of the Michigan-Western Michigan game.
www.foxsports.com www.foxsports.com
 
#360      
RabidDawgClassic
ChiefGritty said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2096778279155913118

The caption of the video is rather amusing under the circumstances, but this does finally have everything in the same video, albeit grainy and at a bad angle to really see what happened.

Evidence in favor of the call being "correct" rather than the reverse, I would admit, but by no means "indisputable video evidence" and if you haven't seen the light of the wisdom of the NFL rule by now, I give up.
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They call THIS “clear evidence?” Okay. 🙄


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#361      
Chillinini
What an embarrassment to Michigan and the Big Ten. What a joke.

I’m sure they gave WMU some additional monies under the table.
 
#362      
lstewart53x3
AutoPoster 3000 said:
That’s not right though. If the clock is set to 9 seconds, it should display 0:09 for one full second after it is started before dropping to 0:08.

Clock set at 0:09
Ball snapped, clock starts
0.00 to 0.09 seconds elapsed —> clock displays “0:09”
1.00 to 1.09 seconds elapsed —> clock displays “0:08”
2.00 to 2.09 —> “0.07”
3.00 to 3.09 —> “0.06”
4.00 to 4.09 —> “0:05”
5.00 to 5.09 —> “0:04”
6.00 to 6.09 —> “0:03”
7.00 to 7.09 —> “0:02”
8.00 to 8.09 —> “0:01”
9:00—————> “0:00”

The play lasted 8.5 seconds from snap to WMU player touching the ball. By that math, at exactly 8.5 seconds elapsed, the clock should have still been displaying “0:01”. Which would mean one second remaining

This was my argument from before that the “evidence” suggests that a tech in the NBC control booth took one feed of a camera pointed at the scoreboard and split screened that with the main feed but for whatever technical reason the main feed was going to screen about a half or three quarters of a second behind the clock feed. The math would support that conclusion.
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That’s just not how college football works. According to the NCAA rulebook, there are no tenths of a second, and when the clock strikes 00:00, the game is over.

So if the clock displays 00:09 remaining, there’s truly only 8 seconds remaining in the game. The clock will instantly roll over from 00:09 to 00:08 and then when the clock strikes 00:00, the game is over. The fact that a stopwatch shows the play lasted 8.5 seconds proves that Western Michigan won the game.

Which is why the B1G’s explanation has nothing to do with tenths of seconds. They aren’t saying “oh, there were was actually half a second left, so we rounded it back up to 1 second” because by rule, tenths of seconds do not exist in college football games. Instead, the B1G is relying on a secret clock that no one else in the world had access to and still showed 1 full second remaining. Which is impossible. How could a play that lasted 8.5 seconds (via stopwatch) still have a full second remaining when the clock started at 9 seconds?
 
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altgeld88
The outcome of the Zapruder-film-like analysis of the final (or phantom) second, via parties Michigan-philic or not, seems irrelevant. The time-tested rule in politics is that, in the course of an argument to the public, if you're explaining then you're losing.

Michigan, my friends, is losing. Badly. The media cycle will drag this thing all the way into next weekend until the next shiny object appears to distract them. Say, Oklahoma beating Michigan by 40 in Ann Arbor.

I'm loving it.
 
#364      
ugottabjoshinme
lstewart53x3 said:
That’s just not how college football works. According to the NCAA rulebook, there are no tenths of a second, and when the clock strikes 00:00, the game is over.

So if the clock displays 00:09 remaining, there’s truly only 8 seconds remaining in the game. The clock will instantly roll over from 00:09 to 00:08 and then when the clock strikes 00:00, the game is over. The fact that a stopwatch shows the play lasted 8.5 seconds proves that Western Michigan won the game.

Which is why the B1G’s explanation has nothing to do with tenths of seconds. They aren’t saying “oh, there were was actually half a second left, so we rounded it back up to 1 second” because by rule, tenths of seconds do not exist in college football games. Instead, the B1G is relying on a secret clock that no one else in the world had access to and still showed 1 full second remaining. Which is impossible. How could a play that lasted 8.5 seconds (via stopwatch) still have a full second remaining when the clock started at 9 seconds?
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When the clock doesn't have tenths of a second, it ticks down after the full second has elapsed. In this case it should have remained at 0:09 until the full second has passed before dropping to 0:08. This would have it reading 0:01 all the way to true 0:00. So, in the case of 8.5 seconds coming off, it should still read 0:01.
 
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sbillini
ChiefGritty said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2096778279155913118

The caption of the video is rather amusing under the circumstances, but this does finally have everything in the same video, albeit grainy and at a bad angle to really see what happened.

Evidence in favor of the call being "correct" rather than the reverse, I would admit, but by no means "indisputable video evidence" and if you haven't seen the light of the wisdom of the NFL rule by now, I give up.
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ah, the holy grail! thank you for sharing this. It's exactly what i've been looking for.

It's difficult to see in the video when the ball touches the player's hand, but it is pretty clear when the ball is approaching the player (at the 8 second point of the video you can see it crossing yard markers near the end zone). based on the other angles from the broadcast, the ball must have touched the players' hands almost immediately after it crossed the point where it's approaching. that must have been 2-3 frames past where you can see the ball approaching the player. The clock doesn't go to 0:00 until a full 8 frames after after you see it approach.

I'm probably going to be torched for this as it seems like some people have already made their conclusions. I promise I'm an illini fan, and Michigan's recent history of scandal is sad and bad for the sport. But this has me convinced that the right call was made.

I'm leaning towards a syncing issue with the broadcast clocks. As the rules analyst said, maybe the replay booth wasn't looking at the actual broadcast clock and had a different clock that was synced differently to the stadium clock. Regardless, the stadium clock must be the source of truth, and this shows that there was still time left.
 
#367      
LFOD
altgeld88 said:
The outcome of the Zapruder-film-like analysis of the final (or phantom) second, via parties Michigan-philic or not, seems irrelevant. The time-tested rule in politics is that, in the course of an argument to the public, if you're explaining then you're losing.

Michigan, my friends, is losing. Badly. The media cycle will drag this thing all the way into next weekend until the next shiny object appears to distract them. Say, Oklahoma beating Michigan by 40 in Ann Arbor.

I'm loving it.
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I never expected to become a huge Oklahoma fan, but life is an interesting journey. :)
 
#370      
Battle89
mattcoldagelli said:
I am kind of embarrassed that this is outpacing our own postgame thread by 4 pages.
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Nah. Negative threads always outpace positive ones. Hatred of Michigan is something that almost all here can unite on.

And it's preferable (switching sports) to ten more pages on what height is required to be a point guard.
 
#371      
Birdus
Start 10th's of a second on the play clocks and institute a red light on the goal post that will terminate time as it expires. Unbelievable. We have grown to expect this from Michigan football though. One thing is for sure. They will probably be starting a different q.b. game 3. I don't see it with Bryce.
 
#373      
lstewart53x3
ugottabjoshinme said:
When the clock doesn't have tenths of a second, it ticks down after the full second has elapsed. In this case it should have remained at 0:09 until the full second has passed before dropping to 0:08. This would have it reading 0:01 all the way to true 0:00. So, in the case of 8.5 seconds coming off, it should still read 0:01.
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This is not true. At the beginning of the game, the moment a kick off return is touched or the first ball is snapped, the clock immediately ticks down from 15:00 to 14:59.
 
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