College Sports (Football)

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bleedorange and blue
#55      
Calvin
spotter said:
Up until now I thought this was all saber rattling.

Now.........????

https://twitter.com/x/status/2097346080148996362
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Interesting development. I thought it was bluster as well, but maybe LSU has angered the wrong people. No idea about the civil issues, but if the court says you can't punish them for taking guys who tried to go the NFL route and want back, wouldn't this be in violation of that? The SEC could try to spin it as some other rules issue, but to an outsider looking in, it appears crystal clear the reason was the player issue.
 
#58      
Oracle21
If LSU was kicked out of the SEC, I think the Big 10 would want them badly. Big 10 does not have a southern imprint. LSU academics aren’t Big 10 qualities, but where money is involved I think exceptions would be made. If Big 10 took LSU and Florida State, I think they’d call it good at 20.
 
#59      
Orange_Blue
Oracle21 said:
If LSU was kicked out of the SEC, I think the Big 10 would want them badly. Big 10 does not have a southern imprint. LSU academics aren’t Big 10 qualities, but where money is involved I think exceptions would be made. If Big 10 took LSU and Florida State, I think they’d call it good at 20.
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I don't think the Big Ten would want an SEC cast-off, they would be seen as toxic to the brand. I would venture to say that you would see LSU to ACC, maybe to the Big 12 if it got bad enough.
 
#60      
Joel Goodson
Oracle21 said:
If LSU was kicked out of the SEC, I think the Big 10 would want them badly. Big 10 does not have a southern imprint. LSU academics aren’t Big 10 qualities, but where money is involved I think exceptions would be made. If Big 10 took LSU and Florida State, I think they’d call it good at 20.
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lol, not a chance
 
#61      
Guest
Oracle21 said:
If LSU were kicked out of the SEC, I think the Big 10 would want them badly. Big 10 does not have a Southern imprint. LSU academics aren’t Big 10 qualities, but where money is involved, I think exceptions would be made. If the Big 10 took LSU and Florida State, I think they’d call it good at 20.
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From Randy Newman’s “Good Old Boys” album, “Rednecks” song, about LSU: “Go in dumb, come out dumb, too”.
 
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STLflyinIllini said:
maybe LSU and Michigan can just create their own conference. LSU pays cut NFL practice squad players. Michigan gets extra plays and calls. Play each other 9 times. Winner gets in the CFP. Loser cries until they get an at-large.
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Add Notre Dame (easy schedule almost every year) and maybe Texas Tech?
 
#64      
Mr. Tibbs
24 is inevitable.

my guess is
B1G & SEC will get 6 guaranteed.
7th would also be possible at large
ACC & B12 would get 3 guaranteed
6 spots total at large
as in hoops , gotta earn points for ranking by playing strong teams & winning road gsmes
 
#65      
Joel Goodson
Dan said:
Sources: CFP opens ESPN negotiation window, 24 teams possible

Leaders of the College Football Playoff on Tuesday agreed to open a 30-day negotiating window with ESPN, signaling their greatest interest yet in a 24-team CFP field that could begin as soon as 2027, sources told ESPN.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ens-espn-negotiation-window-24-teams-possible
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obviously, dunno what's gonna happen, but I think Pertitti's plan has legs. dunking on ESPN and the SEC is good stuff
 
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altgeld88
altgeld88 said:
IMO it shouldn't have a mid-Atlantic footprint either.
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ChiefGritty said:
Don't ever let them tell you it was inevitable. Every step along the path to where we are was leaders making choices.
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Yep. It was the university presidents. And it was ours who started the ball rolling.

I recall Bo Schembechler, who was also Michigan's AD, being particularly opposed to admitting Penn State in '93. What I didn't realize is that our president was the catalyst for the PSU invitation. PSU president Bryce Jordan initiated the entire matter by calling Stan Ikenberry, who was supportive and who then began to socialize the idea among the BT presidents. Apparently no ADs were consulted, and Jim Delany was brand new as the BT commish. In fact, apparently Delany's meeting with the presidents on the topic was the first meeting he had with them.

It was basically Stan v. Bo, and the beginning of a shift in power in college athletics from coaches/ADs to university presidents.

Good article in The Athletic below, paywalled, on the 30th anniversary of PSU's ascension in '93:

www.nytimes.com

Inside Penn State’s dramatic Big Ten entrance: ‘An A outcome with an F execution’

Penn State began Big Ten football play 30 years ago after a disastrous invitation process. Here's how it happened from those who were there.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Some spicy, prescient, quotes from Bo:

“This confirms the worst fears I have of the presidents getting too much control in athletics,” said Bo Schembechler, then Michigan’s athletic director and football coach. “Making decisions like that without ever studying it is terrible. Not one athletic director was consulted on this matter.”

“It illustrates what I’ve been saying about the mood of the presidents,” Schembechler said. “In the next five years, the presidents will completely confuse intercollegiate athletics. Then, they’ll dump it on the athletic directors.”

This quote from a sportswriter sums it up for me:

“I’ll admit more than anything, it’s the provincial side of me that resists the addition of Penn State to the Big Ten,” wrote Bill Benner of the Indianapolis Star. “The Big Ten belongs to the Midwest and Midwesterners. It is part of our fabric and heritage … let the Easterners fend for themselves.”
 
#72      
altgeld88
... I neglected to include this exit quote from Ikenberry:

If Ehrlich (IU president at the time, who was in Bob Knight's pocket and opposed admitting PSU) and Ikenberry can agree to one aspect, it’s that neither saw future expansion as a positive, both in the 1990s and today.

Said Ikenberry: “If I had been able to foresee it, I would have paused longer to think about the implications. But I was so naive and I really didn’t foresee the implications long term. And what I was not taking into account was the impact of television.”

Oof.
 
#73      
ChiefGritty
altgeld88 said:
Yep. It was the university presidents. And it was ours who started the ball rolling.

I recall Bo Schembechler, who was also Michigan's AD, being particularly opposed to admitting Penn State in '93. What I didn't realize is that our president was the catalyst for the PSU invitation. PSU president Bryce Jordan initiated the entire matter by calling Stan Ikenberry, who was supportive and who then began to socialize the idea among the BT presidents. Apparently no ADs were consulted, and Jim Delany was brand new as the BT commish. In fact, apparently Delany's meeting with the presidents on the topic was the first meeting he had with them.

It was basically Stan v. Bo, and the beginning of a shift in power in college athletics from coaches/ADs to university presidents.

Good article in The Athletic below, paywalled, on the 30th anniversary of PSU's ascension in '93:

www.nytimes.com

Inside Penn State’s dramatic Big Ten entrance: ‘An A outcome with an F execution’

Penn State began Big Ten football play 30 years ago after a disastrous invitation process. Here's how it happened from those who were there.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Some spicy, prescient, quotes from Bo:

“This confirms the worst fears I have of the presidents getting too much control in athletics,” said Bo Schembechler, then Michigan’s athletic director and football coach. “Making decisions like that without ever studying it is terrible. Not one athletic director was consulted on this matter.”

“It illustrates what I’ve been saying about the mood of the presidents,” Schembechler said. “In the next five years, the presidents will completely confuse intercollegiate athletics. Then, they’ll dump it on the athletic directors.”

This quote from a sportswriter sums it up for me:

“I’ll admit more than anything, it’s the provincial side of me that resists the addition of Penn State to the Big Ten,” wrote Bill Benner of the Indianapolis Star. “The Big Ten belongs to the Midwest and Midwesterners. It is part of our fabric and heritage … let the Easterners fend for themselves.”
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Great article, and I think its best insight is its last word

Said Ikenberry: “If I had been able to foresee it, I would have paused longer to think about the implications. But I was so naive and I really didn’t foresee the implications long term. And what I was not taking into account was the impact of television.”

The original sin in all of this was after the NCAA vs Board of Regents case in 1984 gave schools and conferences the ability to sell their TV rights individually, the Big 10 and Pac 10 sold their own TV package separate from the College Football Association which had unified everyone else.

That created the framework of fratricidal competition to please TV networks that was destined to destroy everything.
 
#74      
IlliniKat91
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