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#301      
After what Satan and Iowa did to us in the late 80s, they are at the top of my sh*t list.
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Personally, I like the earlier models.
 
#303      
The other thing that UM did last night was they mixed up their defenses between straight man to man, zone, and some full court press which I think kept Purdue off balance and contributed to their poor shooting.
I agree with you- Purdue looked particularly uncomfortable against the zone- Ivey didn’t penetrate much, Sasha was non-existent.

It’s something to note the next time we play them- it takes away the effectiveness of their high screen offense that is for sure
 
#304      
Last night's blowout put Illinois back in the conference lead for efficiency margin (they had been bumped to #2 from Tuesday's blowout):

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Rutgers starting to actually look respectable in margin as well as record. Wisconsin continues to defy margin by winning a bunch of close games.

Nobody is really dominating the conference at this time, as the two leaders were brought back into the pack by blowout losses.

Michigan is still a good team, even if the results aren't all there yet. Last night was a huge result for the tourney hopes.
Personally, I don't like efficiency ratings. It has positives and negatives. I can also see abuse happening with certain coaches and certain situations. A win is a win, and a loss is a loss. That's life.
 
#305      

lstewart53x3

Scottsdale, Arizona
Personally, I don't like efficiency ratings. It has positives and negatives. I can also see abuse happening with certain coaches and certain situations. A win is a win, and a loss is a loss. That's life.
Wins & losses tell you what happened in the past. Efficiency ratings are a better predictor of the future.
 
#306      
Personally, I don't like efficiency ratings. It has positives and negatives. I can also see abuse happening with certain coaches and certain situations. A win is a win, and a loss is a loss. That's life.
Abuse doesn't happen, though, since there isn't necessarily incentive to try to "game" efficiency ratings (except if you are Gonzaga or Houston, but that has nothing to do with efficiency ratings, people are going to whine no matter what they do, so they have to win every game by 30 to measure up to ignorance).

There really aren't negatives to efficiency ratings, It's a good measure of how good a team is, compared to what they have accomplished in results. It's a much better evaluation of a team's standing than just wins and losses, especially in an era of unbalanced schedules and few cross-conference opportunities.
 
#307      
Wins & losses tell you what happened in the past. Efficiency ratings are a better predictor of the future.
Wins & losses tell you what happened in the past. Efficiency ratings are a better predictor of the future.
Ok, fair enough. But if I understand efficiency ratings correctly, they incorporate more weight to a blowout win than a single point win, correct?
 
#310      
Abuse doesn't happen, though, since there isn't necessarily incentive to try to "game" efficiency ratings (except if you are Gonzaga or Houston, but that has nothing to do with efficiency ratings, people are going to whine no matter what they do, so they have to win every game by 30 to measure up to ignorance).

There really aren't negatives to efficiency ratings, It's a good measure of how good a team is, compared to what they have accomplished in results. It's a much better evaluation of a team's standing than just wins and losses, especially in an era of unbalanced schedules and few cross-conference opportunities.
Ok, that does make sense. Pretty old school here. :D
 
#311      
Ok, fair enough. But if I understand efficiency ratings correctly, they incorporate more weight to a blowout win than a single point win, correct?
Correct, but not in a linear fashion. Raw efficiency margin (which I am calculating) is just how many points you score per possession, vs how many points you allow per possession (and the bottom is the league average, so an average team scores about 1.05 points per possession and allows the same). It's just a rate of offense vs a rate of defense, and the rate tops out at a realistic max of 1.5 (Iowa last night hit 1.53 in an absurd offensive performance), and a defense rate tops out at about 0.8 (Illinois did this to Rutgers to start conference play).

Sites like KenPom adjust efficiency numbers to account for the strength of competition in each game and then displays the numbers per 100 possessions (so not everything is under zero, probably makes the data more readable). What Gonzaga is doing in conference this season is unprecedented, such that even after adjusting for schedule they're a clear step ahead of everyone.
 
#312      
Correct, but not in a linear fashion. Raw efficiency margin (which I am calculating) is just how many points you score per possession, vs how many points you allow per possession (and the bottom is the league average, so an average team scores about 1.05 points per possession and allows the same). It's just a rate of offense vs a rate of defense, and the rate tops out at a realistic max of 1.5 (Iowa last night hit 1.53 in an absurd offensive performance), and a defense rate tops out at about 0.8 (Illinois did this to Rutgers to start conference play).

Sites like KenPom adjust efficiency numbers to account for the strength of competition in each game and then displays the numbers per 100 possessions (so not everything is under zero, probably makes the data more readable). What Gonzaga is doing in conference this season is unprecedented, such that even after adjusting for schedule they're a clear step ahead of everyone.
Very informative ... so that's the difference between adjusted efficiency rating and efficiency rating. Got it.
 
#314      
Clemson player (Davis Collins) suspended one game for the flagrant foul against Duke, probably the scariest hit I've seen in basketball. Good thing he didn't sell some memorabilia a few weeks before NIL went into effect; that would have been egregious and required 3 games suspension.
Exactly--well stated!
 
#316      
Howard will quit for an NBA job at first opportunity.

He has only had 1 good season (last year). His first two were bad and this one is bad. More to coaching then just recruiting.
 
#317      

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the Front Range
Michigan @ 13-9 and 7-5 in conference needs to stay hot to be considered in march madness consideration
vs Oh St
@ Iowa
@ Wisconsin
vs Rutgers
vs Illinois
vs Mich st
vs Iowa
@ Oh St
win, loss, loss, win, loss, win, win, loss

Don't think 4 - 4 gets them in. Illinois loss at home should keep them out of tourney with 17-13 and 11-9
Unfortunately, if they clip us, they might get in. In this case they would be 5-3 in that stretch. We MUST succeed in beating them.
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#318      

chrisRunner7

Spokane, WA
Howard will quit for an NBA job at first opportunity.

He has only had 1 good season (last year). His first two were bad and this one is bad. More to coaching then just recruiting.

His son is coming to Michigan next year. Pretty good incentive to stick around, I would think.