2016 Coaching Carousel

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IAmChrisFarley

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tjjohnso said:
This isn't firing Cubit after an extension on your first day. This is replacing one of the worst coaches in the league with zero record of player development. The Lakers don't make this move if they are trying to tank again for the lottery next season. Otherwise this move should have been made a year ago.
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Made a year into his contract? Lol. Righhhhttt
 
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IAmChrisFarley

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Second and Chalmers said:
Cal and the Lakers is intriguing. That would be a move that speaks to a change in the way NBA roster construction is done, especially for teams like the Lakers, where the focus is on your ability to attract free agents. Recruiting, essentially. And what is also critical when assembling that kind of team is to be able to manage the big personalities not just of the players themselves, but their agents and their broader management teams, keeping everyone playing hard, playing together, and on the same page.



Ability to appeal to the psychology of elite basketball players as a recruiter and as a coach, ability to manage prima donna personalities, comfort in the media circus that always surrounds the Lakers, familiarity with and popularity among prominent agents, you start to list off things you'd want in a coach for this specific job and it starts to sound an awful lot like John Calipari.



Cal seems very happy at UK, but if there's any NBA job I can see him leaving for, it's this one.
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Recruiting in college and NBA are different animals. You're playing on level playing fields. More and more players are going to teams we never thought they would.

Look at recent history of the Lakers trying to recruit FA's there. No success from top FA's at all.
 
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IAmChrisFarley

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AnticipatedSerendipity said:
The bottom line is Byron Scott was not the right man for this team so he got let go. Doesn't matter who the next coach is, Scott needed to go for Russell, Randle and the younger guys sake.



Would the lakers love to have Luke Walton, absolutely however Walton has a choice as well.
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Byron Scott wasn't the man, but they don't make an impromptu fire, second year at LA, and not know who they're hiring. The coach is ~6 hours north.
 
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Greensboro

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Greensboro
Second and Chalmers said:
Cal and the Lakers is intriguing. That would be a move that speaks to a change in the way NBA roster construction is done, especially for teams like the Lakers, where the focus is on your ability to attract free agents. Recruiting, essentially. And what is also critical when assembling that kind of team is to be able to manage the big personalities not just of the players themselves, but their agents and their broader management teams, keeping everyone playing hard, playing together, and on the same page.

Ability to appeal to the psychology of elite basketball players as a recruiter and as a coach, ability to manage prima donna personalities, comfort in the media circus that always surrounds the Lakers, familiarity with and popularity among prominent agents, you start to list off things you'd want in a coach for this specific job and it starts to sound an awful lot like John Calipari.

Cal seems very happy at UK, but if there's any NBA job I can see him leaving for, it's this one.
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But he doesn't have to worry about the salary cap recruiting to KY.
 
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URH Snyder 490

URH Snyder 490
Orange Crush '89
Northern Illinois
URH Snyder 490
IAmChrisFarley said:
Recruiting in college and NBA are different animals. You're playing on level playing field. More and more players are going to teams we never thought they would.

Look at recent history of the Lakers trying to recruit FA's there. No success from top FA's at all.
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Not really. Top free agents aren't taking less money to go play in Minnesota or Indiana. That's never happened unless it's a going home scenario like Lebron going back to Cleveland. LA is still a destination as is Miami and New York if they ever get their heads out of their butts.
 
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IAmChrisFarley

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URH Snyder 490 said:
Not really. Top free agents aren't taking less money to go play in Minnesota or Indiana. That's never happened unless it's a going home scenario like Lebron going back to Cleveland. LA is still a destination as is Miami and New York if they ever get their heads out of their butts.
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They're being offered the same amount, and you get the same amount of publicity anywhere. LA, NY, and Chicago aren't wooing people anymore. Florida and Texas teams will cause of no state income tax.

If LA, NY, or Chicago were destination spots, they'd have Andre Drummond type instead of them going to Milwaukee type teams.
 
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URH Snyder 490

URH Snyder 490
Orange Crush '89
Northern Illinois
URH Snyder 490
Right which is why I mentioned Miami. Because it's a destination. A top free agent has never signed with a small market team.
 
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Second and Chalmers

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IAmChrisFarley said:
They're being offered the same amount, and you get the same amount of publicity anywhere. LA, NY, and Chicago aren't wooing people anymore. Florida and Texas teams will cause of no state income tax.

If LA, NY, or Chicago were destination spots, they'd have Andre Drummond type instead of them going to Milwaukee type teams.
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You mean Greg Monroe.

I think it depends on the player and the situation, and the no state income tax is a bigger factor than people realize, but in a league in which the compensation for elite players is artificially held below market value (gee, where have I heard that before?) being able to make a pitch and play the backroom politics game matters. The Lakers have always been great at that, with Jerry Buss and Pat Riley and then Phil Jackson all having that gravitas and that back room ability. Under the new regime their pitch to LaMarcus Aldridge (offseason LA resident, by the way, like many many NBA players) was such a disaster that he told them thanks but no thanks without even taking other visits and leaked to the press what a mess they were.

That can't happen. The Los Angeles Lakers are going to succeed because great players want to play there. With John Calipari, that would be restored. Whether he's a good enough coach to win 7 game playoff chess matches against the best coaches in the world is a different question of course. He's heavily underrated by mopes who need him as their bogeyman for their crybaby NCAA Stockholm Syndrome nonsense, but I don't think anyone would accuse him of being Gregg Popovich either.

I don't think he's a guarantee to succeed and I'm not sure he's the right guy. Nor am I sure that he'd actually want the job. I just think it's a really intriguing idea and I'd be excited to watch it play out.
 
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URH Snyder 490

URH Snyder 490
Orange Crush '89
Northern Illinois
URH Snyder 490
Ah Aldridge good point forgot about him. Shrug maybe you guys are right. Seems to me that la Miami etc are mentioned as destinations for the top guys year in and year out, but I'm wrong a lot.
 
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zpfled

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Logan Square, Chicago
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I would think that some cities would have greater appeal as places to live than others. Sure, top NBA players can have multiple homes, but living in Oklahoma City is very different than living in New York City.

Granted, there's no standard that every NBA player likes a certain kind of city. But living in Orlando or Milwaukee or Oklahoma City is probably less appealing than living in LA, or Miami, or New York...generally speaking. Want bright lights and glamorous parties? Go to LA or NYC. Want great beaches and low taxes? Go to Miami.

Of course that's just one factor among many.
 
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The Pontiff

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Chicago, IL
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Second and Chalmers said:
Cal and the Lakers is intriguing. That would be a move that speaks to a change in the way NBA roster construction is done, especially for teams like the Lakers, where the focus is on your ability to attract free agents. Recruiting, essentially. And what is also critical when assembling that kind of team is to be able to manage the big personalities not just of the players themselves, but their agents and their broader management teams, keeping everyone playing hard, playing together, and on the same page.

Ability to appeal to the psychology of elite basketball players as a recruiter and as a coach, ability to manage prima donna personalities, comfort in the media circus that always surrounds the Lakers, familiarity with and popularity among prominent agents, you start to list off things you'd want in a coach for this specific job and it starts to sound an awful lot like John Calipari.

Cal seems very happy at UK, but if there's any NBA job I can see him leaving for, it's this one.
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Great post - think this is so spot on! Sort of like Maddon with the Cubs.
 
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Bogey99

Bogey99
Bogey99
Kobe's retirement should make it much easier for the Lakers to recruit free agents in the future. Big opportunity to be the next LA star. Calipari would be an interesting choice as coach and I agree that's one of the few NBA jobs for which he might leave UK.
 
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IlliniBrave75

IlliniBrave75
IlliniBrave75