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2016 Illini Golf - Road to the Championship
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Funk showing guts here, starting out behind on every hole, then battling back for a tie. On to hole #20
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FeelYourPaign
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On the 21st hole, Funk of Texas his his approach to 20 feet, while Raza of Oregon is only 4 feet away.
Funk lags to 2 feet.
Raza makes his and Oregon wins the title
Rats, I wanted that "Texas wins, even with a forfeit" story
Funk lags to 2 feet.
Raza makes his and Oregon wins the title
Rats, I wanted that "Texas wins, even with a forfeit" story
Congrats NCAA.
Oregon beats 3 top 10 teams to win it. Playing your home course sure is nice. And a hometown kid makes the clinching putt...
Joel Goodson
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Joel Goodson
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The Ducks are a very good team, no doubt. But they wouldn't have won the title if it hadn't been held on their home course. Completely ludicrous, NCAA.
This just backs my earlier stance on how dumb it is to switch to match play, IMO. It's an individual event after match play begins.
Some of you pointed out it goes to show a team's depth strength. I don't see how it show's anything team period. A team championship decided by another dumb NCAA rule. You can't make substitutions?!?! How stupid is that? So no matter how many players a team has on its roster, in the TEAM tournament you can't substitute if someone gets injured. Why not?
They wouldn't have been substituting for him in the match he got injured. This was a whole new match or game if you will.
That's like telling one of the 2 teams that make it to the NCAA men's BB championship. SORRY coach, I know your guy got hurt yesterday and can't play today, but you have to play with 4 guys. Good Luck!
So in this case, in the team tourney championship, no substitute allowed from the teams' roster allows Oregon to only have to win 2 of the remaining 4 matches, on their home course no less, to win the championship. Brilliant.
Absurd that Texas cant sub a guy in. I mean seriously?!?!
Also, does any of the other teams make comments or light of the fact the Oregon gets to play on their home course? Not just us complaining on here?
Both of these situations should be rule book 101...
Also, does any of the other teams make comments or light of the fact the Oregon gets to play on their home course? Not just us complaining on here?
Both of these situations should be rule book 101...
BananaShampoo
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Oregon's title should come with an asterisk next to it.
Nah, if we'd have won (unlikely, given Texas's excellent play), we'd be stuck with an asterisk because of Texas's injury without substitution.
Oregon's title gets TWO.
I agree with your comment but I like the match play format. If they are not going to allow substitutions in the event of injuries then let's go back to only stroke play. In a way, I am glad Illinois did not play Texas for the final. If Illinois had won you would have always wondered if Illinois was really as good as Texas. Oregon got every break and even their team and fans have to feel their wins are tainted.
Future Walk-On
- Peoria, IL
The most updated poll I could find before one posted today was from May 6th and showed Oregon dropping from 24 to out of the top 25.....
The home course edge is even more evident knowing they took down 3 top 10 teams including #2 and then #1.
The home course edge is even more evident knowing they took down 3 top 10 teams including #2 and then #1.
The injury rule is in place to prevent players from faking an injury to open the door for a 6th man to step in. Obviously, that wouldn't be the worry in this case, but I'm sure you can envision situations where your 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th man are pretty similar and teams start faking injuries when someones having a bad day/tournament.
I personally think that rule could be adjusted to include stuff like having everything cleared by an independent doctor or just allowing teams to rotate in a 6th man for any round. But honestly both of those situations would require a lot of extra organization and would probably muddy things up even more.
Funny, LSU fans are saying the same thing on their forum "Tiger Droppings." Some of them weren't too happy about the Oregon home-course advantage either.
Absurd: the NCAA allowing Oregon cheerleaders and mascot on the first tee, not allowing Texas to sub for Hossler. And the announcers were even alluding regularly to the home-course effect. The whole thing puts a bad taste in my mouth.
Changing the subject, what will be the Illinois lineup this coming season? There's Meyer, Hardy, Liparelli (spelling?), Trevor Gold. But who else?
I wish there was more info on the Illini golf site.
Here's info on the recruiting class coming in next year.
I don't know a whole lot about Gold, but I don't expect him to play much at Illinois. He's from a small school and isn't even listed in the amateur golf rankings. But you never know, I guess.
The 3 returnees will certainly play, I expect Feagles to be in the lineup for sure and probably Baumgarten, just based on their rankings coming in. The new Belgian is a wild card, hard to tell how good he is. This will be a young team, probably capable of making it through a regional to the finals, but I wouldn't expect a return trip to match play.
The following season we should be pretty good if a couple of the recruits pan out. And Small's really developing some depth in the program, going forward we should have 6-7 quality players competing for lineup spots.
Since golf is a game of integrity, I would propose the following substitution methodology:
Coach of the injured player provides that information to the opposing coach and the opposing coach picks a player on the injured player’s team roster to play in place of the injured player. I think that they do sometime like that when a fouled basketball player cannot shoot his free throws.
Not to mention that the guy who beat Danielson to clinch on the last hole and also clinched the national championship over Texas in extra holes is from Eugene, Oregon.
So instead of playing that course hundreds of times, he's probably played it thousands of times, since it is his hometown course. That is a really huge advantage. Imagine how much more comfortable he had to be on those tee shots and greens.
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It is so Illinois to have a trip to the national championship come down to a close loss against a team on their home course and a guy playing on his hometown course.
It reminds me of basketball against Kentucky in 1984, Men's gymnastics in 2006 (Oklahoma) and 1988 (Nebraska) and Men's tennis in 2007 against Georgia. Stuff like this just seems to keep happening to Illinois.
I think the NCAA changed the rule after the Illinois-Kentucky regional final in Lexington. (It must be remembered that KY beat Illinois in December in Champaign in a close one) Now how about eliminating the home-course thing in golf? I'm sure the NCAA books courses way in advance; I'm gonna do some research and see what other surprises are in store .
As is their head coach, who basically grew up at the course.
Still not sure which irritates me more, the home course advantage OR the no substitution rule.
I can see not allowing them to substitute during an ongoing match because like KONNIE said, a player having a bad round could be faking an injury. But this was a NEW match, against a NEW opponent, in a NEW round. I don't see not allowing a substitute in that scenario.
As far as the home field goes. I'm not sure Oregon makes it to match play if this wasn't at their home course. What were they, 10 or so shots ahead of 9th place team? That's not much over 4 rounds, take away home field and they could have easily shot 10 strokes or more worse than they did. No surprise they were the lowest ranked team to make it to match play.
I can see not allowing them to substitute during an ongoing match because like KONNIE said, a player having a bad round could be faking an injury. But this was a NEW match, against a NEW opponent, in a NEW round. I don't see not allowing a substitute in that scenario.
As far as the home field goes. I'm not sure Oregon makes it to match play if this wasn't at their home course. What were they, 10 or so shots ahead of 9th place team? That's not much over 4 rounds, take away home field and they could have easily shot 10 strokes or more worse than they did. No surprise they were the lowest ranked team to make it to match play.
Here's a rundown of upcoming men's regional and finals sites:
2017 regionals:
Baton Rouge, LA (LSU)
West Lafayette
Stanford
UTexas Golf Club
Auburn, WA (Washington or Washington State maybe?)
Finals: Rich Harvest (NIU home course; no team except the home course team can play at RH until after the championships.)
2018 regionals:
OSU Scarlet Course
Oklahoma U Golf Club
Raleigh (NC State)
Kissimee, FLA (U of Central Florida)
Finals: The Reserve at Spanos Park, Stockton, CA (home course of University of the Pacific)
Just thought you secretly wanted to know.
2017 regionals:
Baton Rouge, LA (LSU)
West Lafayette
Stanford
UTexas Golf Club
Auburn, WA (Washington or Washington State maybe?)
Finals: Rich Harvest (NIU home course; no team except the home course team can play at RH until after the championships.)
2018 regionals:
OSU Scarlet Course
Oklahoma U Golf Club
Raleigh (NC State)
Kissimee, FLA (U of Central Florida)
Finals: The Reserve at Spanos Park, Stockton, CA (home course of University of the Pacific)
Just thought you secretly wanted to know.
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Thanks for the recap !:thumb:
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Fully agree that it made no sense to be unable to put a new guy into play for the finals. Tex coach should have been able to tell Ore coach that "I'm playing these 5 guys" and he could have planned his strategy against that roster. As it was, Casey Martin was just licking his chops to see when Hossler would be put on the board. He should have put his 5th man against Hossler, knowing that Hossler likely couldn't play 18 holes. That is nuts.
The rule in basketball doesn't change for the finals though only through the regionals. If the finals are in the carrier dome, it doesn't disqualify Syracuse. I imagine as in basketball different schools sponsor sites & you can move teams in regionals, but once you get to the finals it is what it is.
In fairness, it might also be worth noting in 2005 we played in Chicago, Indy, & St. Louis on the way to the championship game...not home court, but the best you could hope for.
So congrats to Oregon, well done.