I agree with rest of your post, but Jerrance will not get a legit shot.
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I agree with rest of your post, but Jerrance will not get a legit shot.
Took Krystowiak 4 years to get to top 3 in the Pac 12, Cuonzo was there in year 2. I'd rather hire Martin than Krystowiak just for the recruiting upside, honestly. I don't see major upside with Larry (and I'm not a big Cuonzo fan, either). JMO.
Can we please stop this Bennett thing? It's never going to happen. I also highly doubt it will be Cronin. For all the nit-picking, nobody wants to point out his health issues last year? He's 45 coaching at his alma mater and has recent health history, I don't see why he leaves to a high stress environment.
It sounds like we really ponied up to retain him, so hopefully we are able to jump to the 2.5-3million range that will make our job appealing to higher level candidates,
Yeah because everybody knows what a world beater Utah was when he got there.
Sorry but their resumes aren't close. Cuonzo has made the tournament 2 times in 8 years. Larry K has made 4.
And in a "what have you done for me lately" the last 2 years Larry has finished second in conference while making the sweet sixteen and second round while Martin has finished freaking 8th and 3rd and got knocked out in the first round.
Don't know how anybody could seriously look at those resumes and come away thinking Martin is the superior coach. He's the epitome of mediocrity.
Hey, Weber lost to Bradley, right? Pretty sure that I'm happy that we're not playing Illinois State this year. On the downside though, we've got two on the schedule with Northwestern.
Compete in the B1G? Heck we're not even competitive just in the state of Illinois any more. Sure, let's give Groce another year and then when the team flops next year it will be because the team is young and "hasn't played many games together" so then he should get another year...:hand:
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Jerrance has more experience coaching than say... Kevin Ollie.
It's all about fit, and in the end, I feel the Whitman will find a coach that fits.
It's all about fit, and in the end, I feel the Whitman will find a coach that fits.
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I'm very partial to going for top end coaching. After years of poor coaching, I hate the idea of "recruiting upside" over "excellent leadership and coaching". Ideally the candidate would be a strong recruiter too, but my strong preference is to watch excellent basketball on the court. No more "if we overwhelm the opponent with our talent, maybe we can overcome the mediocre coaching". I'm too scarred for more of that...
He does? Man, this is why you can't trust the internet. The internet tells me that Kevin Ollie is 107-55 as a head coach with a national title, but Jerrance Howard has not accumulated a win or loss as a head coach.
Pretty sure the poster meant prior to becoming head coach at UConn
I think he was equating assistant coaching experience to head coaching experience.
Reminds me of the Weber early years. Not only was $elf a bad coach but he would have had Illinois on probation had he stayed. Oh... the memories.
This fan base went nuts because Groce took off his coat and threw it... Marshall went full NUTSO in Canada this summer. No way he's even considered.
I'm starting to get intrigued with Monty Williams...
Another good example why not to hire Jerrance.
I'm not saying Utah was a world beater, but it also wasn't exactly a super fast turnaround, and I don't really think our fanbase will be particularly patient with the new coach. Without some really nice 'crootin to stem the tide or a big name hire, I worry for whoever we do hire for this reason.
Also, feel free to skim through my post history, I'm not a huge Cuonzo fan. But I have concerns about how Krystowiak would do recruiting in this region, having been at Utah and Montana for his entire college HC career, and assistant coaching/coaching in the NBA in Montana, Idaho, and spending all of 3 years elsewhere (1 as an assistant at Old Dominion in VA -- 2001-02, and 2 as an assistant then HC from 2006-2008 with the Bucks). He's also never recruited a class better than 7th in the Pac-12 at Utah. Does that speak positively about his coaching accumen? Yes. Maybe he could be excellent! By no means am I opposed to him, I just have concerns preventing him from topping my list.
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Not only was Utah in bad shape, but they were thrown into the Power Five in year 1 under Krystowiak. He's done a great job there.
But he's making $2.4MM a year in a major conference job with no particular connection to us or the Midwest, not sure he'd say yes.
Added Krystowiak to the master list.
Again, yes, not entirely opposed, but I am not entirely sure he's a fit here even though he is a solid coach.
If we dont fire Groce before next season, we shouldn't until after 2018. That team is going to be loaded. a senior JCL, Black, Finke, and hopefully AJ/DJW. Junior TJL and Kipper and Soph Tilmon/TF/DMW/JP.
That being said, I think regardless of outcome this year (barring a rediculous S16 run), Groce needs to be gone. I dont think we lose TF, and I would put Tilmon at 50/50 to stay--especially given I trust JW to make the right call. Most likely, we lose a guy or two who is really buddy buddy with Groce, but I might put our odds at keeping AJ and DJW higher without Groce. Let a coach come in next year, have two solid years to start recruiting the 2019 class, hopefully grab lil Finke or possibly Mark Smith this year, expect a couple of transfers in/out. Let him build and groom this team throughout 2017 and we've got a great shot at making some noise in 2018.
Of course, that's exactly why I wanted Groce back this year. He had depth and experience, something that hasn't existed since 2012-2013. He did nothing with it.
That being said, I think regardless of outcome this year (barring a rediculous S16 run), Groce needs to be gone. I dont think we lose TF, and I would put Tilmon at 50/50 to stay--especially given I trust JW to make the right call. Most likely, we lose a guy or two who is really buddy buddy with Groce, but I might put our odds at keeping AJ and DJW higher without Groce. Let a coach come in next year, have two solid years to start recruiting the 2019 class, hopefully grab lil Finke or possibly Mark Smith this year, expect a couple of transfers in/out. Let him build and groom this team throughout 2017 and we've got a great shot at making some noise in 2018.
Of course, that's exactly why I wanted Groce back this year. He had depth and experience, something that hasn't existed since 2012-2013. He did nothing with it.
I'd like to nominate Andy Enfield and Kevin Willard for master list consideration. Please & Thank You.
Kevin Willard? 
We might as well delve into the Mark Fox's and Andy Kennedy's and Brad Brownell's if we're going to go there.
These are resumes that very closely resemble Groce's.
We might as well delve into the Mark Fox's and Andy Kennedy's and Brad Brownell's if we're going to go there.
These are resumes that very closely resemble Groce's.
I've been trying to add guys when they've received enough commentary to warrant it (essentially, I want a data driven discussion and basis for comparison). If folks are interested in additional coaches and want to +1 each other on it, I can add additional names using that sort of nomination system.
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