2017 Coaching Carousel

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coryfor3
jmilt7 said:
"Collins ‘very happy’ at NU, says he’s there ‘for the long haul’

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/collins-very-happy-at-nu-says-hes-there-for-the-long-haul/

Not saying he is really going to stay there. As we have seen countless times, they deny and then turn right around and do what they denied. Anyway, I wonder if someone has talked to Collins about the Illinois job and hence this article.
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He probably is speaking truthfully. He's at home and in the Big 10, doing well and putting himself in line for some real job security. However, Duke will likely come calling when K retires if Collins' success continues.
 
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Golfer63
coryfor3 said:
He probably is speaking truthfully. He's at home and in the Big 10, doing well and putting himself in line for some real job security. However, Duke will likely come calling when K retires if Collins' success continues.
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Duke is the only job he'd leave NW for.
 
#3,606      
Golfer63
I'd feel bad if we poached another coach from within the B1G. Just doesn't seem right. Could you imagine the meltdown on this board if we had a coach leave us to take the IU job?
 
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Kajagoogoo
mattcoldagelli said:
Why? That's pretty much the job description of notable alums - golf clap for the current coach.
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I find it irresponsible to say stuff like that when it's clear the coach needs to go. If he's only saying that publicly, fine. But he needs to voice concerns privately with Whitman then (and I doubt that's happening).
 
#3,609      
jmilt7
There has been a lot of talk about whether making the tourney or maybe even the NIT will save Groce's job. Or some are saying that he should be kept because of the incoming class. I think the overall, maybe overwhelming, response has been that Groce has not warranted being retained. That he is not a good coach, etc. I don't want to rehash the arguments. But I am still a little concerned that he might be kept because the average fan out there will say he deserved it for those reasons cited above. We have a lot of knowledgeable people on this board but I don't think that carries over to the great "unwashed" out there rooting for the Illini (as those numbers drop). In the Sun Times article I cited earlier Marcus Liberty, now a high school coach in Sarasota, Florida, told the Sun-Times in regards to Groce and the incoming class. ‘‘Give him an opportunity to coach those guys and see what comes out of it then. If it doesn’t work out, then you have to make a decision on where you’re headed after that.’’ I know, as someone already pointed out, he kind of has to say that. Coaches stick together usually. But still if he says that what is the general feeling of the average fan out there going to be? I am just bringing it up. I don't know. If he gets to the tourney and if the scare tactics about the incoming class work and the average fan says don't fire him, will Whitman listen to them or make the smart move and replace him?
 
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OrangeAndBlues
jmilt7 said:
There has been a lot of talk about whether making the tourney or maybe even the NIT will save Groce's job. Or some are saying that he should be kept because of the incoming class. I think the overall, maybe overwhelming, response has been that Groce has not warranted being retained. That he is not a good coach, etc. I don't want to rehash the arguments. But I am still a little concerned that he might be kept because the average fan out there will say he deserved it
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The good news is that JW will make that decision, not the average fan.
 
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CAHALL15
cam said:
Whitman has enough clout after the Lovie hiring he should do whatever he thinks is best, period. This years team does not have the talent people think it does. We have 0 guys that will play in the NBA. When we have good teams we had guys on the roster that were NBA talents. The sad thing is Tilmon is an NBA talent and the guards are finally getting better with Lucas and Frazier and possibly Smith if it wasn't for the cloud over Groce . Good grief did we miss a lot of open shots last night.
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When is the last time this happened? 2005? Meyers was drafted between then and now, but that was in Bruce's final year where we also floundered. We have a healthy, veteran team and there is no reason why we shouldn't have been in the tournament this year. Winthrop is not more talented than us and neither is Michigan or Penn State. Just last year we beat a AJ Hammons Purdue team and that was with a young, banged up team that lacked any front court depth. We are grossly (Grocely) underachieving. Additionally, if you believe that this team isn't talented then that is also Groce's fault.
ChrisNMattoon said:
There isn't one coach I've read on here, not one, who excites me in the least. Greg Marshall is a complete bust hire. Guy is nuts and won't connect at all with any Chicago coaches, not a chance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeoUitsdq98
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Who do you think we could realistically get as a head coach? Alternatively, what would you be looking for if you were making the hire?
 
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OrangeKrus28
LurkLongandProsper said:
Obviously your list, but I disagree vehemently with:

(a) Scott Drew in a tier A

(b) Frank Martin, Cuonzo, and Wojo not on the same tier as Rick Barnes/Underwood

(c) I don't think Haase or Underwood are feasible on our list, they are both in year 1 or 2 at a new gig.



Not going to happen.



It has happened before, and our circumstances would certainly justify it.
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How would you conclude that Scott Drew should not be on Tier A of my list? Scott Drew's postseason success in the NCAA's hasn't been the greatest but he completely rebuilt Baylor who was in absolute shambles(way worse off than we are currently), has maintained recruiting while competing with Kansas/Texas/Oklahoma/really all schools in Texas who have a better longer-term history than Baylor, and has those Midwestern ties. Scott Drew would be an absolute home run hire in my book.

Frank Martin/Cuonzo have better longer term success as compared to Brad Underwood. Rick Barnes is older, which is why I put him on the 3rd tier. Likely, we should be going for someone in their 40s/low 50s who would be able to build the program for several years down the road with no chance of retirement.
 
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OrangeKrus28
jmilt7 said:
"Collins ‘very happy’ at NU, says he’s there ‘for the long haul’

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/collins-very-happy-at-nu-says-hes-there-for-the-long-haul/

Not saying he is really going to stay there. As we have seen countless times, they deny and then turn right around and do what they denied. Anyway, I wonder if someone has talked to Collins about the Illinois job and hence this article.
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Would it be proper for a competing B10 school to steal one of its fellow head coaches away? Could this create bad blood and issues among other athletic directors in the conference? Those would be the questions that JW has to ask himself if he wanted to try to call Collins.
 
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EJ33
Not sure if this is accurate but Loren Tate said the starting lineup at Penn St played a total of 3 min and 6 seconds together as a unit.

Yet, Groce continues to complain about the lack of "connectedness."

:frustrated:

:doh:
 
#3,617      
EJ33
Collins will stay at NU until Duke calls. That's a lock.

I was absolutely against him coming here because I was biased by his annoying on-the-court behavior and the lack of success by K's former players. Jim Phillips winning again.
 
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LurkLongandProsper
OrangeKrus28 said:
How would you conclude that Scott Drew should not be on Tier A of my list? Scott Drew's postseason success in the NCAA's hasn't been the greatest but he completely rebuilt Baylor who was in absolute shambles(way worse off than we are currently), has maintained recruiting while competing with Kansas/Texas/Oklahoma/really all schools in Texas who have a better longer-term history than Baylor, and has those Midwestern ties. Scott Drew would be an absolute home run hire in my book.

Frank Martin/Cuonzo have better longer term success as compared to Brad Underwood. Rick Barnes is older, which is why I put him on the 3rd tier. Likely, we should be going for someone in their 40s/low 50s who would be able to build the program for several years down the road with no chance of retirement.
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Brad Underwood was 89-14 and 53-1 in conference at SFA. If you really think Cuonzo or Frank Martin has had better long term success than that, then I'll just stop that part of the conversation right now because we simply won't agree. It's a lower conference for sure at SFA, but those results are VERY impressive regardless of conference. Especially considering he had more NCAAT appearances at SFA in 3 years than Frank Martin has at sCAR in 4 (3 to 0), and more NCAAT appearances (3 to 2) and as many NCAAT wins (2 to 2, first four doesn't count) as Cuonzo has in his entire career.

I can see the logic on Rick Barnes' age, but that's typically why he's not included in our lists anyway IMO.

I personally am not a big Scott Drew fan, putting him on the same tier with Gregg and Tony who have had rock solid consistency is where I took some issue.
 
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Bear8287
jmilt7 said:
"Collins ‘very happy’ at NU, says he’s there ‘for the long haul’

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/collins-very-happy-at-nu-says-hes-there-for-the-long-haul/

Not saying he is really going to stay there. As we have seen countless times, they deny and then turn right around and do what they denied. Anyway, I wonder if someone has talked to Collins about the Illinois job and hence this article.
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I suspect that Collins will be at Northwestern until Coach K retires at Duke...

Let's see, Coach K turns 70 on the 13th of this month. He's won ~1059 games...

What's your definition of "the long haul"? ;)
 
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ChiefIllini
Frank Martin hasn't been talked about enough on here. Great track record at K state. Turning around an awful program at SC. Only negative I know is he can be pretty animated. He checks off the tourney criteria (an E8 app). I dont take too much stock in the first three years at SC. Clearly has improved them. Seems like a guy who could build a program up.

Really intriguing guy, his classes aren't gonna blow you out of the water but hes gotten a top 25 guy every other year or so. Biggest knock might be his lack of Midwestern ties.
 
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golferjohn1970
No more excuses

CAHALL15 said:
When is the last time this happened? 2005? Meyers was drafted between then and now, but that was in Bruce's final year where we also floundered. We have a healthy, veteran team and there is no reason why we shouldn't have been in the tournament this year. Winthrop is not more talented than us and neither is Michigan or Penn State. Just last year we beat a AJ Hammons Purdue team and that was with a young, banged up team that lacked any front court depth. We are grossly (Grocely) underachieving. Additionally, if you believe that this team isn't talented then that is also Groce's fault.


Who do you think we could realistically get as a head coach? Alternatively, what would you be looking for if you were making the hire?
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Let's be honest one of the chief reasons Groce was kept this year is because Cubit was replaced by Lovie. No way JW was going to fire Groce right after he hired Lovie that is too much work to do. He gave Groce the benefit of another year to evaluate him further and if the season keeps going to way it is he will be gone soon. There are no more excuses they have been healthy for the most part and this team is underachieving big time!! It's just too obvious to everyone that Groce is overmatched for this job and needs to go.
 
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Charleston
Kajagoogoo said:
I find it irresponsible to say stuff like that when it's clear the coach needs to go. If he's only saying that publicly, fine. But he needs to voice concerns privately with Whitman then (and I doubt that's happening).
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Anonymous message board poster offended that former Illini player has an opinion he doesn't agree with. Tells former player to "shut up". I'm sure Marcus has been sufficiently chastened that he will do just that.
 
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Obelix
ChiefIllini said:
Frank Martin hasn't been talked about enough on here. Great track record at K state. Turning around an awful program at SC. Only negative I know is he can be pretty animated. He checks off the tourney criteria (an E8 app). I dont take too much stock in the first three years at SC. Clearly has improved them. Seems like a guy who could build a program up.

Really intriguing guy, his classes aren't gonna blow you out of the water but hes gotten a top 25 guy every other year or so. Biggest knock might be his lack of Midwestern ties.
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Good coach, but his antagonistic personality will likely cause problems. I think the same of Buzz, not good fits IMO for UI.
 
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