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I'd be perfectly happy with Keatts, Cuonzo, or Archie. We're splitting hairs at this point.

After 150 pages+ of this stuff, while I agree about those three being my A- hires, there really isn't anything else left to do but split hairs, or add in names that are either unobtainable or clearly not good enough.

I think people are expecting a hire like Lovie. Truth is that doesn't exist. Our football is probably a historically bottom 10 program (our bball is top 25isih), and we hired a guy with a super bowl app and less than 3 months removed from an NFL HC position.

Bennett is probably the only one left after the Miller resigning that would create half the buzz Lovie did. Wanting a hire like this is definitely the minority opinion on this board, but its fun to discuss and dream of a guy with instant name recognition and a sterling resume.
 
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After 150 pages+ of this stuff, while I agree about those three being my A- hires, there really isn't anything else left to do but split hairs, or add in names that are either unobtainable or clearly not good enough.

I think people are expecting a hire like Lovie. Truth is that doesn't exist. Our football is probably a historically bottom 10 program (our bball is top 25isih), and we hired a guy with a super bowl app and less than 3 months removed from an NFL HC position.

Bennett is probably the only one left after the Miller resigning that would create half the buzz Lovie did. Wanting a hire like this is definitely the minority opinion on this board, but its fun to discuss and dream of a guy with instant name recognition and a sterling resume.
I've been told Bennett has already told Whitman and others he's not interested. So remove Sean M and Bennett. I don't think Whitman is interested in Gregggggg M, and I've also heard that Keatts and Archie are in his top 3. And Cuonzo wants to move back to the MW for sure. Whit had interest in him last summer when he started his research on coaching options. I don't know if that's still the case.
 
#3,954      
Wouldn't what Cuonzo did at Missouri State be considered "special" as well?

He had 1 top 3 conference finish in 3 years and didn't win conference tournament for the autobid, so just the one really good season. But not exactly special for a guy jumping to P5, in the grand scheme of things. The turnaround Keatts has pulled is absolutely special.

I'd be perfectly happy with Keatts, Cuonzo, or Archie. We're splitting hairs at this point.

I agree with this, but I've been angsty for a new coach since last season, so impatience is getting the better of me anyways. Between those three, it all becomes a matter of personal preference, IMO, but I will be content going any of those directions.

After 150 pages+ of this stuff, while I agree about those three being my A- hires, there really isn't anything else left to do but split hairs, or add in names that are either unobtainable or clearly not good enough.

I think people are expecting a hire like Lovie. Truth is that doesn't exist. Our football is probably a historically bottom 10 program (our bball is top 25isih), and we hired a guy with a super bowl app and less than 3 months removed from an NFL HC position.

Bennett is probably the only one left after the Miller resigning that would create half the buzz Lovie did. Wanting a hire like this is definitely the minority opinion on this board, but its fun to discuss and dream of a guy with instant name recognition and a sterling resume.

IMO, Monty Williams and Lovie Smith are pretty danged similar. Monty doesn't have the NBA postseason success, but what he doesn't have there, he has with Team USA. He's also only 45 years old and one of the more respected coaches in the league. Lovie, with all due respect, wasn't an AMAZING NFL coach. He was solid, had some really strong years, but if he was a top notch NFL coach, he'd still be in the NFL. I think Monty falls under a similar umbrella (accounting for his current hiatus due to his family circumstances).
 
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I've been told Bennett has already told Whitman and others he's not interested. So remove Sean M and Bennett. I don't think Whitman is interested in Gregggggg M, and I've also heard that Keatts and Archie are in his top 3. And Cuonzo wants to move back to the MW for sure. Whit had interest in him last summer when he started his research on coaching options. I don't know if that's still the case.

Marshall is the exact opposite kind of guy Whitman will hire. Ironically i think Groce is, at least from how he acts and speaks, exactly what Whitman would hire.

That should be a couple hundred pages worth :thumb:

Luckily, we don't have to do it on Groce's head--that would be pretty challenging, though Cuonzo's might be worse ;)
 
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Illinithad

Northeast Missouri
If Groce is gone at the end of the year, I wouldn't count on Mark Smith at all, or for that matter, maybe Trent Frazier and Jeremiah Tilmon either. Just completely my opinion. But we've been starting over for years so another few years won't make much difference.
 
#3,957      
I'm a no for Monty

He had 1 top 3 conference finish in 3 years and didn't win conference tournament for the autobid, so just the one really good season. But not exactly special for a guy jumping to P5, in the grand scheme of things. The turnaround Keatts has pulled is absolutely special.



I agree with this, but I've been angsty for a new coach since last season, so impatience is getting the better of me anyways. Between those three, it all becomes a matter of personal preference, IMO, but I will be content going any of those directions.



IMO, Monty Williams and Lovie Smith are pretty danged similar. Monty doesn't have the NBA postseason success, but what he doesn't have there, he has with Team USA. He's also only 45 years old and one of the more respected coaches in the league. Lovie, with all due respect, wasn't an AMAZING NFL coach. He was solid, had some really strong years, but if he was a top notch NFL coach, he'd still be in the NFL. I think Monty falls under a similar umbrella (accounting for his current hiatus due to his family circumstances).





Monty was horrible as an NBA coach I'm surprised he lasted 5 seasons. I know he is respected but he has never coached at the college level. I say stick with these 3 possibilities what about Musselman does he interest anyone? NBA experience and doing well at Nevada too?
 
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Monty was horrible as an NBA coach I'm surprised he lasted 5 seasons. I know he is respected but he has never coached at the college level. I say stick with these 3 possibilities what about Musselman does he interest anyone? NBA experience and doing well at Nevada too?

The Pelicans roster has been horrible for as long as I can remember, and he made the playoffs twice in the West. Far from horrible as an NBA coach.

Musselman has been discussed in this thread, think the consensus largely is that he probably needs another year at Nevada
 
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If Groce is gone at the end of the year, I wouldn't count on Mark Smith at all, or for that matter, maybe Trent Frazier and Jeremiah Tilmon either. Just completely my opinion. But we've been starting over for years so another few years won't make much difference.
Trent Frazier reaffirmed his commitment to the Illini on Twitter. He's fine. Tilmon is a wild-card. He loves Walker, so Groce's inevitable departure won't matter but Walker's might.

Smith really likes the U of I, so I wouldn't dismiss him until the new coach has a chance to talk to him.
 
#3,960      

I Bomb

Stylin' and Profilin'
If all the recruits stay on board it's not necessarily starting over. A good coach should be able to come in and get things going right away with that group, I would think.
 
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The Pelicans roster has been horrible for as long as I can remember, and he made the playoffs twice in the West. Far from horrible as an NBA coach.

Musselman has been discussed in this thread, think the consensus largely is that he probably needs another year at Nevada







I don't disagree their rosters were never that great but he was 48 games below .500 in five years and 2-8 in the playoffs. Okay so he wasn't horrible but I'd say below average. He had Anthony Davis for 3 years and couldn't win with him either.
 
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What do you think of this.

I am finally on the train to let Groce go. I have seen enough of his type of basketball to go another way. I was in favor of letting him finish out the season but have been thinking something different lately. I think that we need to fire him the next loss we have. Here is some of my reasons. The assistant coach can take over and we can see if there would be any difference in our outcomes. If he flops like Groce well maybe we need to let some more go also. If he doesn't then maybe we got somebody to work with already. Also we could find out a little earlier what new recruits are willing to stay and which ones are leaving. That way we would have a little more time to look for some new recruits with scholarships offer.Also we could find out what other coaches out there that we haven't mentioned who would be interested.
 
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I am finally on the train to let Groce go. I have seen enough of his type of basketball to go another way. I was in favor of letting him finish out the season but have been thinking something different lately. I think that we need to fire him the next loss we have. Here is some of my reasons. The assistant coach can take over and we can see if there would be any difference in our outcomes. If he flops like Groce well maybe we need to let some more go also. If he doesn't then maybe we got somebody to work with already. Also we could find out a little earlier what new recruits are willing to stay and which ones are leaving. That way we would have a little more time to look for some new recruits with scholarships offer.Also we could find out what other coaches out there that we haven't mentioned who would be interested.




Sorry Fish that won't happen its a good thought though.. JW will inform the recruits that they will make a change after the BTT or if they make the NIT after that is done. It is very rare that college coaches get fired before the end of the season I think mostly due to recruiting. We only have 7 more Big Ten games after tomorrow let's just get through the next 4-5 weeks and it will all be more positive about the future of this program after that.
 
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Okay so if were all in agreement that Groce is gone what day does it happen just for kicks everyone chime in!! I say on March 20th!!
 
#3,967      
Any chance Hoiberg gets fired from the Bulls and wants to coach here at Illinois? :)
 
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CAHALL15

Central Illinois
I joined this conversation late, and I would appreciate if someone could fill me in the following board sentiments:

1. Why do people assume Cuonzo Martin will be a mediocre B1G coach? Looking purely at his coaching record, I noticed that he has improved his programs each year and has had solid success at non-traditional P5 programs.
2. Why are people so excited about Keatts? Serious question, I just don't know much about him.
He had two MCDAA on his team last year and failed to win a tournament game. His recruiting class this year is 29th in the country so he doesn't consistently recruit top level guys either. He has made one sweet 16 with all of these 20 win teams, the same thing as Groce.

Keatts' combined head coaching record between UNC Wilmington and Hargrave Military Academy is 325-43. He won two national titles at Hargrave and coached 20 different eventual NBA players while there. Additionally, he was known to be a great recruiter while an assistant at Louisville under Pitino. He inherited a 9 win team at UNCW and won a conference title the first year. Year two, another conference title and an NCAA appearance where they lost to Duke by single digits. They are 20-4 this year.
I'd be down with Martin
I always respect your input and thoughts, but he would not be among my first few choices. However, at this point, I just want Groce gone.
 
#3,971      
Serious question: Is there really any reason Martin would want to come to Illinois from Cal? Aside from being raised in Illinois?

1) More money
2) Better conference
3) Coming back towards his "home turf"
4) Surprisingly, a more stable DIA (Cal isn't a dumpster fire quite yet, but there's $$ troubles there and we actually seem to have something resembling stability now)

I have all the confidence in the world that if offered a competitive salary, Cuonzo Martin would jump at the chance to coach U of I.

Too bad that chance is gonna get steamrolled by the Keatts Hype Train!!!
 
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Okay so if were all in agreement that Groce is gone what day does it happen just for kicks everyone chime in!! I say on March 20th!!

March 8th is the scrub round in the BTT (we can surely beat Rutgers on a neutral court, right?). March 9th is the next round, so that's when the beloved bail out with a disappointing loss to Northwestern or something lame.

March 9th is a Thursday. Groce is fired on Monday March 13th. Keatts Hype Train arrives at the Champaign terminal March 27th (Monday after UNCW bows out in the Sweet 16)
 
#3,973      
A decent look at potential jobs that could be open this time around.

Part 1

Part 2

Good article and the writer was pretty complimentary of our position in the pecking order.

Following the authors logic, if we are 1 through 3 in places hiring and we look for a bigger splash than Cuonzo we could be very happy/surprised.
 
#3,974      
Archie then Keatts

1) More money
2) Better conference
3) Coming back towards his "home turf"
4) Surprisingly, a more stable DIA (Cal isn't a dumpster fire quite yet, but there's $$ troubles there and we actually seem to have something resembling stability now)

I have all the confidence in the world that if offered a competitive salary, Cuonzo Martin would jump at the chance to coach U of I.

Too bad that chance is gonna get steamrolled by the Keatts Hype Train!!!





I'd rather have Archie Miller but if he balks then definitely hire Keatts he is so impressive with what he has done in 3 years.
 
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Serious Late

Peoria via Denver via Ann Arbor via Albuquerque vi
First off, LOTS of high quality data, analysis and discussion in this thread. Kudos and thanks to everyone providing that. Based on commentary here, games watched this season and generally extrapolation of data seen, there is in my opinion, a solid set of top priorities to follow the rest of this season:

1) Archie Miller: May be unattainable, but if possible, Miller is a hire that would make any P5 team optimistic about their future. This is the "Shaka Smart" priority candidate of this search. May be holding out for a top 10 gig, but the right combination of meshing with AD, substantial salary boost and internal confidence to make more with the current roster and recruit the region just might convince Miller we (again) have consistently top 10 program potential. Put it this way, Brian Gregory parlayed his 8 year Dayton tenure into a Georgia Tech gig. His tenure at Dayton had an average Kenpom rating of 87. Miller's average Kenpom rating is a 51 and has improved Every. Single. Year. At. Dayton. Rating of 36 this year. 100% home run hire and should be feasible with the right AD and proper offer.

2) Larry Krystkowiak: We can't really think that Utah is a destination job, right? Interesting program, certainly has had its moments, but no way a quality Illinois AD with a respectable budget can't convince the coach at Utah to change jobs. Krystkowiak, in his first year took over a program that just moved to the Pac-12 and finished with a Kenpom rating of 303. In his second year, they jumped to #115. His last 3 years, Krystkowiak has averaged a 27 in the Kenpom ratings. If that isn't impressive, not sure what is. The only counterpoint I am aware of is his lack of recruiting in the Midwest. Personally, I would make a strong push for him regardless of that drawback.

3) Kevin Keatts: the up and comer. Undeniably impressive so far in his time at UNCW. Has demonstrated an ability to win with another coach's players and has a strong reputation as a recruiter. Could climb higher on the list, but that whole Louisville hooker situation was... not ideal. Personally I thought that whole thing was gonna blow up into a bigger deal, but nope. Makes me nervous, but the evidence that he is a winner is strong.

Honorable Mention: Fred Hoiberg. If fired by the Bulls, or IF there is some backroom negotiating before he is officially fired, this could be the Lovie 2.0 hire. Whitman has proven an ability to go get this kind of guy and I have to imagine he would be excited by the prospect of running out 2 former professional coaches as the heads of his 2 revenue sports. That said, the timing would have to be there and Hoiberg would have to want to return to college. I am skeptical, but it isn't out of the realm of feasibility.

On the flipside, the list of coaches that were never going to come here but fans keep bringing up is long and lustrous. Donovan, Stevens, Bennett, S. Miller, Buzz, any coach in the B1G, any former coach of Illinois.

Final comment, Cuonzo Martin. Despite the message board push, I am very much not excited about Cuonzo. I keep hearing about the epic class he brought in last year, and I keep hearing how he was in the tourney. He had Tyrone Wallace, Jabari Bird, Jordan Matthews, Ivan Rabb and Jaylen Brown. That is a filthy amount of talent. To lose 11 games and lose in the first round of the tourney? That is very concerning to me.
 
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