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peace davids

Colorado
Sorry Fish that won't happen its a good thought though.. JW will inform the recruits that they will make a change after the BTT or if they make the NIT after that is done. It is very rare that college coaches get fired before the end of the season I think mostly due to recruiting. We only have 7 more Big Ten games after tomorrow let's just get through the next 4-5 weeks and it will all be more positive about the future of this program after that.

I'm all for letting Coach Groce go the second that we know we aren't making the NCAA tournament at large. That is likely after 2 more losses and make Walker the interim coach.

That prevents the miracle coach savior of winning the BTT to make it to the tourney and raise questions. That gives the kids the freedom and hope to play hard to end their seasons with 100% of the fan base behind them - no underlying debate on Groce's future.

It gives us a handicap in recruiting Mark Smith, but gives Whitman time to garner support, funds, and inroads in finding the right coach before other jobs open up. It also gives us time to discuss the vision moving forward to the current commits.

Just no good way forward with Groce. I say cut ties as soon as it is overwhelmingly obvious to the world that he won't be back.
 
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Final comment, Cuonzo Martin. Despite the message board push, I am very much not excited about Cuonzo. I keep hearing about the epic class he brought in last year, and I keep hearing how he was in the tourney. He had Tyrone Wallace, Jabari Bird, Jordan Matthews, Ivan Rabb and Jaylen Brown. That is a filthy amount of talent. To lose 11 games and lose in the first round of the tourney? That is very concerning to me.

Wallace was injured and didn't play that game. That was a HUGE blow to Cal's chances. I don't hold that game against him at all.
 
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A decent look at potential jobs that could be open this time around.

Part 1

Part 2

Pretty good article. It is nice to see a Mizzou writer admit that Illinois is clearly the better program. It also underscores the opportunity that Illinois could have this off-season. If it becomes available, the Illinois job will be one of the best if not the best available.
 
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Wallace was injured and didn't play that game. That was a HUGE blow to Cal's chances. I don't hold that game against him at all.
Jabari Bird was also injured and didn't play.

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Illinithad

Northeast Missouri
Trent Frazier reaffirmed his commitment to the Illini on Twitter. He's fine. Tilmon is a wild-card. He loves Walker, so Groce's inevitable departure won't matter but Walker's might.

Smith really likes the U of I, so I wouldn't dismiss him until the new coach has a chance to talk to him.

Glad to hear that on Frazier. I knew Smith was an Illini fan, just worried about the possible transition. Plus, I'm concerned who we are going to be able to get for a coach. I was very optimistic last time. All the people I thought we would get were taking their names out of the running. Hope it's different next time.
 
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First off, LOTS of high quality data, analysis and discussion in this thread. Kudos and thanks to everyone providing that. Based on commentary here, games watched this season and generally extrapolation of data seen, there is in my opinion, a solid set of top priorities to follow the rest of this season:

1) Archie Miller: May be unattainable, but if possible, Miller is a hire that would make any P5 team optimistic about their future. This is the "Shaka Smart" priority candidate of this search. May be holding out for a top 10 gig, but the right combination of meshing with AD, substantial salary boost and internal confidence to make more with the current roster and recruit the region just might convince Miller we (again) have consistently top 10 program potential. Put it this way, Brian Gregory parlayed his 8 year Dayton tenure into a Georgia Tech gig. His tenure at Dayton had an average Kenpom rating of 87. Miller's average Kenpom rating is a 51 and has improved Every. Single. Year. At. Dayton. Rating of 36 this year. 100% home run hire and should be feasible with the right AD and proper offer.

2) Larry Krystkowiak: We can't really think that Utah is a destination job, right? Interesting program, certainly has had its moments, but no way a quality Illinois AD with a respectable budget can't convince the coach at Utah to change jobs. Krystkowiak, in his first year took over a program that just moved to the Pac-12 and finished with a Kenpom rating of 303. In his second year, they jumped to #115. His last 3 years, Krystkowiak has averaged a 27 in the Kenpom ratings. If that isn't impressive, not sure what is. The only counterpoint I am aware of is his lack of recruiting in the Midwest. Personally, I would make a strong push for him regardless of that drawback.

3) Kevin Keatts: the up and comer. Undeniably impressive so far in his time at UNCW. Has demonstrated an ability to win with another coach's players and has a strong reputation as a recruiter. Could climb higher on the list, but that whole Louisville hooker situation was... not ideal. Personally I thought that whole thing was gonna blow up into a bigger deal, but nope. Makes me nervous, but the evidence that he is a winner is strong.

Honorable Mention: Fred Hoiberg. If fired by the Bulls, or IF there is some backroom negotiating before he is officially fired, this could be the Lovie 2.0 hire. Whitman has proven an ability to go get this kind of guy and I have to imagine he would be excited by the prospect of running out 2 former professional coaches as the heads of his 2 revenue sports. That said, the timing would have to be there and Hoiberg would have to want to return to college. I am skeptical, but it isn't out of the realm of feasibility.

On the flipside, the list of coaches that were never going to come here but fans keep bringing up is long and lustrous. Donovan, Stevens, Bennett, S. Miller, Buzz, any coach in the B1G, any former coach of Illinois.

Final comment, Cuonzo Martin. Despite the message board push, I am very much not excited about Cuonzo. I keep hearing about the epic class he brought in last year, and I keep hearing how he was in the tourney. He had Tyrone Wallace, Jabari Bird, Jordan Matthews, Ivan Rabb and Jaylen Brown. That is a filthy amount of talent. To lose 11 games and lose in the first round of the tourney? That is very concerning to me.






Very good analysis on these guys. I'm not sure on Hoiberg at all I think he can coach but he isn't a good recruiter. I'd rather have your top 3 over Hoiberg plus I think he gets one more year with the Bulls since he has a 5 year deal. What about Musselman is there not enough of a sample size at Nevada? If you really study his history he has won everywhere other then the NBA. He seems to have adapted very well to the college game as well. I'd put him at the 4th or 5th spot with Cuonzo
 
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Okay so if were all in agreement that Groce is gone what day does it happen just for kicks everyone chime in!! I say on March 20th!!

If we finish 7-11 or worse and clearly out of the Tourney March 6th should be the date.

After the conference season and before the BTT. Let one of the assts finish out whatever is left of the season.
 
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If we finish 7-11 or worse and clearly out of the Tourney March 6th should be the date.

After the conference season and before the BTT. Let one of the assts finish out whatever is left of the season.

I will bet my beach house on the farm that he will not be fired before the BTT. It'll be after BTT if no NIT or after the NIT.

Musselman and Jeff Capel are two I don't want to drop off the radar in here.

Capel is a Larry Brown tree right? So it's either him or Ben Wallace if TCTORNADO has any merit
 
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mattcoldagelli

The Transfer Portal with Do Not Contact Tag
He had Tyrone Wallace, Jabari Bird, Jordan Matthews, Ivan Rabb and Jaylen Brown. That is a filthy amount of talent. To lose 11 games and lose in the first round of the tourney? That is very concerning to me.

The tourney is wild, though. People are also dinging Martin's Sweet 16 run because it came out of the First Four. So he's damned if he gets upset, and damned if he's doing the upsetting.

Again - John Groce should've taught us all a lifelong lesson on how the small sample of the tournament can translate to a full season.

If the criticism is underachieving with talent over the course of a season (as you point out with the 11 losses), then that's a fairer concern, albeit one that's been tackled quite a bit in this thread.
 
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Musselman and Jeff Capel are two I don't want to drop off the radar in here.

I foresee two possible outcomes if Capel becomes our next head coach:

1. He does well for a couple years, maybe we even get a S16 or E8 app out of it. Regardless, if he has any tourney success here, hes gone once K retires.

2. He does exactly what hes been doing as a HC and under perform. Oklahoma was awful, sans Griffin. He has done pretty poor this year, though I dont hold it too much against him.

The latter is about 100x more likely than the former. Not even to mention I highly doubt he leaves Duke, K is gone very soon and him staying compared to leaving for the UI job increases his likelihood of getting the best HC job in college immensely.

I'm OK with the Musselman talk. Sadly I really want to see a 3rd season out of him at Nevada first.
 
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peace davids

Colorado
I will bet my beach house on the farm that he will not be fired before the BTT. It'll be after BTT if no NIT or after the NIT

In this scenario, what happens if the boys get hot and either make a run in the BTT, win it outright, or make it to NYC in the NIT?

I don't want to be in a scenario where Groce can save his job with a hot 8 game stretch.
 
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In this scenario, what happens if the boys get hot and either make a run in the BTT, win it outright, or make it to NYC in the NIT?

I don't want to be in a scenario where Groce can save his job with a hot 8 game stretch.

I mean, if Chrissy Teigan rings me up and wants to go on a date I'd entertain leaving the wife and kid at home, but it's not like that's really going to happen.
 
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I'd be perfectly happy with Keatts, Cuonzo, or Archie. We're splitting hairs at this point.

I have a high preference for Archie. What's he's done at Dayton without a big-name university behind him proves he can with with the X's and O's. Given his rep, I would hope he can recruit really well at a P5 school.

I think Groce has proven that if you recruit well but don't develop players that you lose. Wisconsin has proved that you can recruit good players, develop them, and have great players.

I think both Keatts and Cuonzo have more risk/unknown with them.
 
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2) Larry Krystkowiak: We can't really think that Utah is a destination job, right? Interesting program, certainly has had its moments, but no way a quality Illinois AD with a respectable budget can't convince the coach at Utah to change jobs. Krystkowiak, in his first year took over a program that just moved to the Pac-12 and finished with a Kenpom rating of 303. In his second year, they jumped to #115. His last 3 years, Krystkowiak has averaged a 27 in the Kenpom ratings. If that isn't impressive, not sure what is. The only counterpoint I am aware of is his lack of recruiting in the Midwest. Personally, I would make a strong push for him regardless of that drawback.

If Utah is a destination job to anyone, it is to Larry Krysko. He's from Montana, and other than maybe Gonzaga, there's not a better fit for him. Illinois might be a step up but I don't think it's enough to get him to leave. Shame, too, I think he's a really solid coach. I really enjoy watching his teams play.
 
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Serious Late

Peoria via Denver via Ann Arbor via Albuquerque vi
The tourney is wild, though. People are also dinging Martin's Sweet 16 run because it came out of the First Four. So he's damned if he gets upset, and damned if he's doing the upsetting.

Again - John Groce should've taught us all a lifelong lesson on how the small sample of the tournament can translate to a full season.

If the criticism is underachieving with talent over the course of a season (as you point out with the 11 losses), then that's a fairer concern, albeit one that's been tackled quite a bit in this thread.
I agree with the tourney comments. That said, his Cal team was pre-season #14, yet they spent most of the season unranked (slipped in at #23 in the final poll). How many teams had a starting 5 with more talent than Cal last year? Perhaps I am overstating it, but that lineup looks like top 5 material, certainly not one you would expect to spend most of the season unranked.
 
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Tevo

Wilmette, IL
Never said Colangelo will make the next hire, but he certainly will be consulted. Colangelo and Kahn are very close and if there's a buyout Kahn will be involved somehow. Wasn't Kahn seen with Whitman at a recent BB game and doesn't Kahn have a place in Naples, where JW was last weekend.?
You stick with your source saying that contact with Martin has been made and that Martin has expressed interest and I will stick with the field. And oh by the way Brown and Colangelo are friends. :D

Also, I'm not saying anything, but I'm just saying, Colangelo's favorite poet?

Keats. Boom.
 
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Serious Late

Peoria via Denver via Ann Arbor via Albuquerque vi
If Utah is a destination job to anyone, it is to Larry Krysko. He's from Montana, and other than maybe Gonzaga, there's not a better fit for him. Illinois might be a step up but I don't think it's enough to get him to leave. Shame, too, I think he's a really solid coach. I really enjoy watching his teams play.
Good info. I guess your comment goes hand in hand with other stated concerns about him recruiting the Midwest. Might just be a matter of us not being right for him, but I hope JW makes the call and finds out for himself.
 
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hes gone once K retires.

That's Chris Collins' job at this point.

He does exactly what hes been doing as a HC and under perform. Oklahoma was awful, sans Griffin.

I think this narrative is bad. He was great at VCU as like a 27 year old, built Oklahoma into a great thing, and then it blew up in his face in like eight months.

He deserves another shot and he'll get one.
 
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Oh, there isn't one. I'm just saying, that's the thing that people have (rightly) been zeroing in on and it's been discussed at length.

Cuonzo try'na get across when the Keatts train comin'

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illiniry1991

Moultrie County
Glad to hear that on Frazier. I knew Smith was an Illini fan, just worried about the possible transition. Plus, I'm concerned who we are going to be able to get for a coach. I was very optimistic last time. All the people I thought we would get were taking their names out of the running. Hope it's different next time.



Don't think we will be running into this as much this time around as we have a rockstar AD in JW and a possible top ten recruiting class that would still come to Illinois for the right coach it just sucks that this all a waiting game now to see where this program is headed......
 
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