2017 Coaching Carousel
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ILLINIFAN2
- Des Moines, IA
Huggins defense is STIFLING... we couldn't get the ball up the court which is embarrassing, more embarrassing, we couldn't even figure it out in the 2nd half...
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
A lot of my OSU friends think that Matta's seat should be hot. I don't see it--he's definitely had a dropoff since 2014-2015 but he gets at least another year.
peace davids
- Colorado
I am good with what NC State has done - I have been posting that we needed to let go once we get to 9 losses in conference (HELLO!?).
However, if they know Archie is their guy - the timing is pretty crappy. Rumors are going to fly that Archie is going to NC State (they already are), and it is going to really piss of the Dayton contingent. That includes Archie Miller. Remember Bill Self having to deny going to Kansas for just a few days? Archie is going to have to do that for over a month! Is that going to turn him off?
However, if they know Archie is their guy - the timing is pretty crappy. Rumors are going to fly that Archie is going to NC State (they already are), and it is going to really piss of the Dayton contingent. That includes Archie Miller. Remember Bill Self having to deny going to Kansas for just a few days? Archie is going to have to do that for over a month! Is that going to turn him off?
sacraig
- The desert
That had as much to do with our team as it did with theirs.
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
Interesting point.
I only posted the same thought for us because Williams can be hired immediately.
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
Matta is pretty good, but he seems to have been better with a strong recruiting assistant. That's just interesting. We'll see what is next for both of them
His biggest issue seems to be his health.
peace davids
- Colorado
Yeah, that is why I am all for Groce getting the axe yesterday. We have no frontrunner that is going to take a bunch of heat for the rest of the year, like Archie will with NC State. Promote Walker to interim HC and start the search process - no secrecy or hesitation about Groce's job.
I say this because I really want our players to play free the rest of the year without the constant barrage of questions and unceartanty about JGs job status. Let them try to play it out without JG, make some noise in the BTT - have fun in whatever postseason tourney they get into, and end the year with some hope that Whitman will bring in a solid leader.
Same with recruits and the questions about JGs job. Fire the guy now, let Whitman talk to them about the future of the program and keep them onboard mentally until the new guy shows up, then let them decide what they want to do.
There are no downsides IMO.
I don't like the idea of promoting Walker to HC at all. You want the next staff to have the option to keep him. Him being a HC to these same players (especially with any sort of success) potentially undermines the next staff and greatly lessens the chance he'd stick around.
Jkat00
- Champaign, IL
I couldn't disagree more.
NC State hasn't officially fired Gottfried yet.. NC State would be smart to wait until the season is over.
The search process has already started..... but doesn't really take off until other teams seasons are over with. Each candidate is currently coaching and will most likely be into the NCAA tournament (except for Money).
No downsides? Firing Groce before the season ends would be the worst thing Whitman could do. It's not even debatable.
If you fire Groce now... each player signed will request and be granted immediately a release from their letter of intents. We would have no head coach for a month while every other school in the country recruits them. Goodbye Tilmon, Frazier, Damonte. You would be looking at a 3-4 year rebuild. PROGRAM SUICIDE. There is a reason you don't see head coaches fired mid-season in college basketball. It does nothing but hurt the program even more.
Walker as the interm? Mike Thomas did something similar when firing Weber after the BTT... He gave Jerrance Howard the interm position for a few weeks. Although no games were played... the players rallied behind Jerrance and created a sticky situation with the new head coach. Players went to Mike Thomas before Groce was hired saying they want Jerrance to be the head coach. After this, there was no way Groce could keep Jerrance with players potentially undermining him because they favor the assistant.
Groce will be fired after the season is over.
Again, I'm much more interested in results rather than excuses at this point. Cal had their two most talented players playing in that game one of which was the number 3 pick in the draft.
I've already bought a ticket to the Keatts train. If Monty Williams or a guy like Bennett are unreachable, give me Keatts.You want results? How about 262-17 over 10 years and 2 national HS championships? How about 65-27 (and counting) over 3 years following his predecessors 29-63 prior 3 years? 37-13 in conference, 2 time (and counting) conference champions?
If its results you want to get, Keatts is the bet!
KEATTS
Martin said it himself, "No excuses."
The Pontiff
- Chicago, IL
Feels like a waste of time for almost any college team, but maybe Indiana is delusional enough to think they can persuade a successful, young NBA coach to walk out of a contract with more than 3 years left (Stevens got extended last summer) making I'm guessing at least $4MM/yr.
But maybe IU is Stevens' dream job (from Indy, wife went to DePauw, guessing their family is all there, etc.) and if IU can pony up a 5yr/$30MM+ package, then mayb the timing works out for them. Fire Crean on Jul 2 after the NBA season is over, pay only a $1MM buyout (as opposed to $4MM before Jul 1) to Crean, pay the Celtics whatever buyout penalty Stevens may have and then announce Stevens with a Coach Cal like deal.
Doesn't actually sound so delusional...
JKat, this is downright impressive. Nice post!!:thumb:
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
I only suggested letting him go IF they could replace him immediately with Williams. No void between coaches whatsoevr. I realize that Williams has to run Groce's stuff, but I thought it was interesting to consider removing the uncertainty and having next year's staff (at least the head guy) on staff immediately to remove some of the angst of an opening. It was an interesting topic for discussion, at least in my mind. Most disagreed and even I disagree with the idea of letting him go with no one permanent to step in and fill the void.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
From the NC State blog:
"Because there is nothing that a State fan loves more than pure, unadulterated hope tied up in the form of a coach that we will inevitably fire in 5-7 years."
This comment really says it all for me. I've got a case of Shiner Bock that this is exactly how it plays out here again.
"Because there is nothing that a State fan loves more than pure, unadulterated hope tied up in the form of a coach that we will inevitably fire in 5-7 years."
This comment really says it all for me. I've got a case of Shiner Bock that this is exactly how it plays out here again.
Shame. Only guy mentioned in this thread I'd be excited about.
Yep, his health has definitely slowed him down and it seems to reflect on the team.
Women's college basketball might as well be a different sport altogether. It would be like hiring a dominate Tennis coach to coach our team and expecting it to work out.
robertgoulet
IL Board Resident Crooner
- Austin, TX
Word starting to get around that Billy Donovan may be looking to get back to the college world.
That'd be a grand slam.
That'd be a grand slam.
I just really find that hard to believe. Has there ever been a NBA coach who voluntarily left his NBA head coaching gig to come to coach college? There have been plenty who have been fired or "resign" when it was obvious they were going to get fired and come back, but I can't think of any who have left voluntarily.
So I'm just going to say it's gospel that Billy Donovan will not be coaching college basketball next year and Indiana will look dumb if they fire coach kisses boys and try to contact Brad Stevens.
Rick Pitino left the Knicks totally voluntarily in 1989 to coach at Kentucky. Actually it was a huge disappointment for NY fans.
robertgoulet
IL Board Resident Crooner
- Austin, TX
Was mentioned on WSCR in an interview w/ a reporter from OKC. With Durant gone, Westbrook probably taking off in a year, and OKC not good enough to compete for a title even with Westbrook, whispers have started that he may be looking for a way out.
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