Fighter of the Nightman
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you sound silly. Chicago is waaaaaaaaaay bigger than the Irvins and truth be told there haven't been many NCAA tourney champions in recent years that did not have a Chicago kid on the roster.
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But distance plays a huge role if we are selling, stay close to home, let your family come see you play, etc. etc. People from Purdue, Notre Dame, etc. will use that to counter our recruiting pitches all the time. There are positives and negatives all over, and distance from home is one of those factors.
And don't forget the negative aspect of Illinois. Look at Jabari Parker - dude grew up in Illinois and with all the negatives in Chicago - he just wanted to get OUT. My wife was the same way, a downstater that couldn't wait to get out of Illinois. Works both ways.
Yeah, he went to Duke. There will always be top level talent who would like to leave the state to go play for Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky etc. Especially in periods when Illinois is very mediocre. Jabari Parker is a bad example. It is not that he wanted out of Illinois to just go and play in a bad program just to get out. He went to Duke.
To be successful at Illinois a coach does not only have to deal with the HS/AAU scene at Illinois, he needs to embrace it. Not only Chicago, but the whole state, and some of the most powerful programs are in Chicago.
People can play tough on the internet all they want, "we don't need Chicago, we don't need AAU, we don't need this and that." But at the end, we are the ones hurting, not them. Right now, they don't need us, and we have not given them a reason to need us either. We need them.
Homer would be Bennett, Donavon.... And I don't think you have to extend. The junior class has 0 players on scholarship, unless there are transfers, you won't have to do a lot of recruiting and it would buy you time to make the decision after next year. Especially considering you would have 1. Frazier FR, 2. Lucas SO, 3. JCL JR, 4. Black JR and 5. Tillmon FR. Thats potentially same lineup two years in a row.
Neither of your homers are likely to happen.
And yes, you do have to extend. There is absolutely no scenario in which we can skip extending Groce after this season if we chose to retain him.
We've already covered that you HAVE TO extend Groce if he is retained. 2 years on a contract is 0 to recruits, and you can't just skip a class.
Also, you do realize that there won't be new home run hires next year, right? Home runs are established coaches who are perceived as semi-available or who will at least pick up the phone. That's a short list.
Lastly, Gregg Marshall is a great coach. He's been incredibly impressive at Wichita, and people stating conclusively that he wouldn't be able to recruit ChicagoIf he is willing to take an offer, you sign him and we can find out if he can recruit Chicago or not. That's one of the best resumes at a non-P5 midwestern school out there.
Greg Marshall is a complete nut job. Thats a pricey disaster right there.
Based on what? You keep saying that, but I don't see what that is based in. A lot of college coaches are nutjobs, they stake their career in the decisions of 17 year old kids in a lot of ways, and spend around the clock hours on recruiting.
Why? And again, I hope he is gone. But it wouldn't harm recruiting that bad because of the class imbalance. You already have the core of the future team on board and few scholarships for the year after.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeoUitsdq98
Yeah, half of this fan base went nuts when Groce threw his jacket once.....
He got mad at an exhibition game once and so he's unhireable? OK.
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http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article94747032.html
Doesn't sound disqualifying or even close to it to me.
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Am I the only one who thinks that lineup next year is likely to win about 3 or 4 big10 games regardless of who is coaching?
That was a little over the top, but I think at this point some of our fan base would like to see some passion/fire out of its leader.
Man, I coach.... I've gotten mad at games. I've seen other coaches get mad, get tossed ext.... That was absolutely nuts.... at an exhibition game none the less!!! Yes, in my book based on that and the fact I don't think he could recruit here...I don't want any part of him.
See my edit on that post. That's such a minute event, and I think you're VASTLY overplaying that to deem him a headcase based on an individual event.
I have a lot of homeruns.. Can rattle off a bunch that have no shot of coming. I just mentioned them because I figure Bennett may want to come back to B1G eventually or maybe Donavon isn't happy in NBA or wants to get back into college... One name I keep going back to is Kevin Ollie.... Intriguing I think.
Just one thing and again, its just me. Maybe I'm in minority or maybe even vast minority. I just don't see him as successful at Illinois or in Chicago recruiting. Just my opinion.
I would consider Groce to have passion/fire
I think it speaks to his personality. Nothing about coaching ability. There are a lot of good coaches that can't recruit, or have other problems. Bruce Weber is a good coach, had other issues that made him not a good fit here.
TownieMatt
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For me, the thing Groce lacks is getting after his players and really holding them accountable. I don't need any Bobby Knight type shenanigans, but I can't recall a single time that Groce has really gotten in a guy's face for not bringing it. I think a good coach knows when to use the carrot and the stick.
I don't know about 3 or 4, but I'm not sure it's any better than what we have now. And as I said in my last post, I expect the Big Ten to be better. Lots of young players this season that will be back next year.
yes.
Well with a new coach, I think the hope would be that we have better gameplans/coaching/execution and be in a lot more games than we have been this season. That will hopefully lead to a few more wins as well.
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