Sign me up to RDIllini's way of thinking. Bring in a coach that has a good track record and plays an exciting brand of basketball. If we can't get that guy then wait until we can. Nothing worse than hiring a coach that will produce marginally better results.
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Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Nothing worse than keeping a coach who doesn't get results. We already rode that train with Weber, time for a new one.
I get it that change is hard for some people, but we already have the worst coach in the conference, there's no reason to hang on to that just because the next guy might only be 12th.
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You didn't miss anything. Pretty much the same back and forth over the same names. I expect it will be like this till the season is over
So he's going to resign? Cool.
Spent some time reading the NCS board.
Same top tier candidates: Marshall, A Miller
Same 2nd tier candidates: Keatts, Hoiberg
Mostly the same 3rd tier: Wade, Holtmann, Underwood, D. Hurley and surprising support for Muller.
Fourth tier: McDevitt, Kelsey, Moton, Mooney
Others: Crean or Matt if they are fired/quit.
Same outlandish candidates: Donova, S Miller, Stevens, Smart, Wright
Same top tier candidates: Marshall, A Miller
Same 2nd tier candidates: Keatts, Hoiberg
Mostly the same 3rd tier: Wade, Holtmann, Underwood, D. Hurley and surprising support for Muller.
Fourth tier: McDevitt, Kelsey, Moton, Mooney
Others: Crean or Matt if they are fired/quit.
Same outlandish candidates: Donova, S Miller, Stevens, Smart, Wright
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So, if we go through this fantasy land of negotiations while we have a coach, none of you seem to think that hurts our AD's reputation. Most likely this gets leaked and his reputation is hurt in public. Finally, even if this goes as many of you want, you have fired your coach to hire a specific coach. I sure hope he has high ethics because he now has all the leverage.
The Lovie hire is not the way things work. That was a unique situation. A job must be open to negotiate.
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You forgot Martin.
Whoops, though but most didn't seem too high on him.
Monty Williams??:thumb:
Send them the article that Robert from IL Board wrote.
14th all time in wins, T14 all time in FF appearances, One of only two teams in the B1G with at least 1700 wins, Highest all time winning percentage among B1G teams, 22nd all time in NCAA tourney wins(most wins all time among programs without a National title)
People are ignorant.
*Speaking of national titles, we have a banner hung for our 1915 Helms trophy at SFC next to our 5 FF banners. What's the deal? Are we counting those now? I know that Kansas has two pre-tourney titles that they have banners hung for next to their three tourney era titles at the PHOG.
illinipioneer
- Richmond, VA
If we had marginally better results (1-2 more wins) in Groce's year 2, 3, and this year, we wouldn't be having this conversation cause we most likely would have been in the tournament.
Marginally better results means moving from maybe on the bubble to barely in IMO. But barely in still means in. Make the tournament regularly, even if you lose early, and your floor has been raised. With that foundation you can then search for the guy with the highest ceiling.
OrangeAndBlues
- Indianapolis
What an absolute load. I have heard zero people with or without connection to our program think that was a swing and a miss. It's about as close to a home run as you can get.
I would say that calling the Lovie hire to be a failure already taints this credibility. He also doesn't seem to have a high opinion of the Illinois program.
I had to re-read the quote multiple times before posting. I then went back and read it after I posted it. I'm actually still shocked. I'd love to hear who thinks it was a bad hire.
OrangeAndBlues
- Indianapolis
It's definitely a case of someone having a bias and writing to support it. Makes him look like an idiot to anyone even marginally in the know though. ESPN has even had a lot of coverage on us since the hire and spoken with Lovie multiple times. It's an amazing hire.
They're really not, it's just recency bias*. We haven't done anything to be relevant in a decade now. That's just the reality of this. Non-fans aren't sitting on IlliniBoard reading Robert's pleas to remember how good we were pre-2005. That is why this hire does matter, but it's also why we desperately need to make a change. We are irrelevant right now.
* I do not agree with the UD poster quote
I just don't see how we possibly excuse him missing 4 years in a row, especially in year 5 with zero injuries. Whitman's been pretty emphatic with his we will win, is he serious about it? If so, we really need to make a change. This scenario, as you've described, is actually haunting me, because I really hate watching Groce ball and don't want to even think about doing it again next year.
Absolutely a case of national media being unplugged and yapping about a situation they know nothing about. A local reporter could easily tell anyone that it is exactly the opposite. Whitman is a clear 1 for 1 and Lovie was a great hire.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
I have said this before, but I was a baseball player. I am as interested in the crowd, tradition, rivalries, etc. as I am in the Xs and Os of Illini basketball. In fact, for being a VERY passionate fan, I am no basketball expert (compared to other avid fans), and I provide little valuable input in regard to basketball strategy.
However, some of you are using your love of basketball to overthink this. John Groce has not produced results at a program that has proven - under its four previous coaches over several decades - it can relatively easily achieve good results and often achieve great results. It's as simple as that. If his replacement is "marginally better," then you let that guy build up the program to a "marginally better" place, decide it's not good enough, fire him and shoot for a better guy. Period.
Some in this fan base have let the last decade turn us into a bunch of chicken-shlt losers! It's crazy to act like we're going to return to being the top dog in the Big Ten really soon, but it's just simply sad to think that we can't again, and keeping Groce for even one more season is pretty much admitting that.
However, some of you are using your love of basketball to overthink this. John Groce has not produced results at a program that has proven - under its four previous coaches over several decades - it can relatively easily achieve good results and often achieve great results. It's as simple as that. If his replacement is "marginally better," then you let that guy build up the program to a "marginally better" place, decide it's not good enough, fire him and shoot for a better guy. Period.
Some in this fan base have let the last decade turn us into a bunch of chicken-shlt losers! It's crazy to act like we're going to return to being the top dog in the Big Ten really soon, but it's just simply sad to think that we can't again, and keeping Groce for even one more season is pretty much admitting that.
BananaShampoo
Captain 'Paign
- Phoenix, AZ
Amen, brother.
OrangeAndBlues
- Indianapolis
A-MEN, my brother!
Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
Or said another way: SOMEONE is getting a 3 or 4 year contract, either Groce or someone new. Most of us are convinced at this point that anyone else Whitman can get would be better than Groce.
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