I agree it likely won't. Just trying to make the pitch. It's also a little more than that. I talked about it earlier but he gave an interview earlier in the year where he said he enjoyed Missouri State the most.....while he's currently the Cal basketball coach. That was pretty telling to me. If the money could be equal and for whatever reason he liked the Mizzou culture better it would only mildly surprise me to see him go with them. That Tennessee job really really cut deep with him.I dunno, I feel like a map can tell you.
It's 49 miles difference. 127 vs 176.
No way does 45 minutes of drive time to his mom's house make the difference here.
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Ever been to Knoxville? On top of that, he had the pleasure of following Pearl, who UT fans still think walks on water.
I'm sorry, I have a hard time believing that this team looks as poorly coached as it does because he's too brilliant of a basketball mind.
It's not what you know, it's what you can teach.
We don't look simplistic, we look lost. And with experienced, smart kids.
Lawrence Frank's X's and O's are up there with the best of em.
Larry Brown and Paul Westhead spring to mind. But yeah, there tends to be less crossover between the NBA and college than between the NFL and college.
I would say though, NBA and college basketball are closer today than they were 10-15 years ago both in terms of tactics and strategy and relationships with players.
You look at Monty Williams' Pelicans teams, those were a bunch of guys that would still have had college eligibility if they had chosen to. They grew up under him in a way they would have done under a Lou Henson or a John Wooden a generation ago.
Still, stuff like the Eddie Jordan Rutgers era scares you.
A lot of folks talking about Bennett from UVA. A lot of people talking about Groce's poor defensive scheme. They both run the pack-line.
Obviously, Bennett has had more success with it. I'd be happy with a Bennett hire, and I don't particularly care for the pack-line defense.
Just throwing out some thoughts.
Obviously, Bennett has had more success with it. I'd be happy with a Bennett hire, and I don't particularly care for the pack-line defense.
Just throwing out some thoughts.
Albert Einstein said that if you can't explain something simply enough for others to understand, then you don't know it well enough.
Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
This is the difference between and expert and a teacher, and you can see it all over the place. Just because someone can develop a Nobel Prize-winning economic theory doesn't mean she'll be a good professor. Just because a guy can develop a winning strategy for an army doesn't mean he should be leading the troops. Frankly, this is why you have a whole coaching STAFF. You need a blend of recruiters, strategists, analysts and teachers. They are all important, and we clearly are lacking in at least one -- perhaps it's the teaching that we're missing.
That's a good line, but the truth is pretty much every coach in Division I basketball is watering down their own basketball knowledge to make it digestible for their players. The coaches are adult basketball lifers and the kids are 19-20, often from poor educational backgrounds, of course it's that way.
The scheme isn't wrong, the execution is wrong.
Pack line is great. It takes advantage of college rules allowing defensive 3 seconds within a man-to-man concept.
But any system is only as good as how well you run it.
There are a lot more coaching positions in football, at assistant levels, so really makes the crossover a lot easier.
Brown actually started his coaching career in college as an assistant to Dean Smith, before resuming his playing career in the newly founded ABA that was starving for players. The Denver Nuggets were his first head coaching job, although that started in the ABA (before they merged into the NBA). He also did coach in college early on (before Kansas), many people actually forget that he became UCLA's coach.
Paul Westhead was actually a long-time head coach in college for almost 10 years at La Salle before venturing into the NBA. He is legendary in Mid-Atlantic, a Philly guy.
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GortTheRobot
- North Bethesda, Maryland
I think people mean Archie Miller, not Sean. As for Martin, the jury seems to be out about his ability to actually coach, we don't need another recruiter who can't teach the game. Maybe he can, I just don't think he moves the needle like Keatts or Archie Miller.
Wait, are you saying Archie is a better coach than his brother, Sean? I'm confused.
We're not going to pay that much. We've never paid the hoops coach more than the football coach, so that's probably your upper limit. Lovie got $21 mil over 6 years. And it's not just us, I believe IU is the only B10 school paying more for hoops than football. It's a simple case of which one brings in more $$.
Probably his meh results that bring that reaction.
Well Bennett actually runs it vs talking about running it.
GortTheRobot
- North Bethesda, Maryland
No, not at all. It's that the talk has been about getting Archie from Dayton. No one thinks getting Sean is even a remote possibility. If it was, it would be fantastic, he is clearly better...at least right now. Who knows what Archie could do if he came to Illinois, it's not like we haven't done well against Arizona in the past, and Lute Olsen was a pretty good coach.
IlliniFan12
- Cedar Falls, IA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9ERX357Pgs
Keatts seems like a very personable coach. Would be a great fit IMO
Keatts seems like a very personable coach. Would be a great fit IMO
I can assure you I am making an effort to catch UNCW games of late, when they are available to me. Definitely one of the top guys on my personal board.
They don't seem to ever be on ESPN3. Where are you watching?
GortTheRobot
- North Bethesda, Maryland
Right now, Keatts would be my number 1. However, I really do trust that JW will get the right guy.
They seem to have a streaming service they use for games (follow their Twitter, they provide links), and will also be checking some of my other streaming sources as well. I wouldn't expect to find them on ESPN3 too often, although I believe their game against CoC was televised(?) -- although I may be mis-remembering that. I missed it. They also have watch links on their schedule. UNCW athletics' site is basically the same as Illinois', by the way, same provider.
These 2 statements seem to contradict your theory about what the coaches can/can't teach the players.
haasi
- New York
On CAA.tv. doesn't look like password required. playing james Madison tonight at 7 eastern, William and mary Saturday afternoon (also on CSN-MA)
sometimes on real TV on ASN (random network) and ESPN. here's the breakdown: http://uncwsports.com/news/2016/10/...ahawks-set-for-tv-eight-times-in-2016-17.aspx
Also CSN will carry conference tourney with championship game on ESPN.
On a separate note, this season is very impressive but have to note that they've played only two games against top 50 teams and they lost both (MTSU and Clemson). That said, those are their only losses, and winning on the road against College of Charleston is impressive (RPI 68 according to CBS). Keatts won't have more chances in conference to get an impressive win, so assuming UNCW finishes strong, the tourney looms huge for showing how good they are
Much better notes than I provided, thanks (re: watching). Regarding MTSU and Clemson losses, it's also worth noting they lost on the road to MTSU by just 5, and @ Clemson by 14 (lost by 13 in 1H, 1 in 2H for those of you into numbers like that). Tournament will definitely matter, but as you said, they only had two chances at those wins so far, and are yet again at the top of their league (where talent level is presumably fairly level). At some point, you beat the teams put in front of you and they've certainly done that. If they can win some tournament games, that'd be huge. They're definitely looking good to make it.
On another note, it's interesting to note Keatts has UNCW receiving votes in the AP poll (#29 by total votes), and receiving votes in the coaches poll (T-#26 by total votes). Pretty impressive.
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I have been as big of a Groce supporter as there is, but enough is enough. Barring a complete turn around and making it to the S16, it's time to move on. My biggest fear is that turn around happens and we are stuck with JG another couple years. As bad as I want to see Malcolm and these seniors make the NCAAT, that will just make it next to impossible for JW to fire him. I'm afraid the backlash we would receive, especially in coaching circles, would cause us to end up with someone worse than Groce.
I trust Whitman will make the right decision and do whatever is necessary to get the best available coach. I am starting to like Keatts, but I think we should offer top dollar to Archie Miller first. Never know unless you try. Then offer Keatts, and have Martin as option C. I think Martin is a safe option, may not have as high of a ceiling, but I also think he has a higher floor than what we have had the past 5 years.
I would also like to add, specifically for the people that think we are a completely irrelevant program and will be looking at another rebuild. I think any respectable coach we bring in could coach these players up better and at least have us competing in the upper half of conference. I think at worst within 2-3 years we could be relevant again. Also, for those that think that is impossible, I ask you to look no further than our current 2017 class. I'm not saying they are game changers that will immediately improve us. But, given the state of our program, and the fact that Groce was able to land their commitments speaks volumes about our program and also to JG as a recruiter. I mean, your talking about a Top 10-15 class, tops in the conference. When you look at the shape this program has been in, yet we are still able to land a top ranked class is amazing. Any coach could look at that alone and see this is a place where they could do great things at. Even if a coach isn't the greatest recruiter ever, all they have to do is be able to coach, win games and have a decent personality and the recruits will come
I trust Whitman will make the right decision and do whatever is necessary to get the best available coach. I am starting to like Keatts, but I think we should offer top dollar to Archie Miller first. Never know unless you try. Then offer Keatts, and have Martin as option C. I think Martin is a safe option, may not have as high of a ceiling, but I also think he has a higher floor than what we have had the past 5 years.
I would also like to add, specifically for the people that think we are a completely irrelevant program and will be looking at another rebuild. I think any respectable coach we bring in could coach these players up better and at least have us competing in the upper half of conference. I think at worst within 2-3 years we could be relevant again. Also, for those that think that is impossible, I ask you to look no further than our current 2017 class. I'm not saying they are game changers that will immediately improve us. But, given the state of our program, and the fact that Groce was able to land their commitments speaks volumes about our program and also to JG as a recruiter. I mean, your talking about a Top 10-15 class, tops in the conference. When you look at the shape this program has been in, yet we are still able to land a top ranked class is amazing. Any coach could look at that alone and see this is a place where they could do great things at. Even if a coach isn't the greatest recruiter ever, all they have to do is be able to coach, win games and have a decent personality and the recruits will come
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